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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 28, 2015 13:05:38 GMT -6
This is an open discussion about Fourth Way that ideas are illustrated in the song "Absolution Calling" by Incubus.
Here's the song:
And here's the lyrics for easy reference: It's like an intuition or a feeling in the air An intangible impression that's always everywhere You bit into the apple, laid down your sword an shield (Untie! A little bit dies, a little each time, the medicine smile) Then spun 'round like a gyre in the unified field! (Inside, your elegant guide, an arrow in flight a million miles)
I remember feeling the opposite of falling (Into that spot where we untie every knot) Spinning past the ceiling, absolution calling... "Are you there, or not?"
It's an open invitation, come see the sights of sages We've been a pride of lions so afraid to leave our cages Don't fret over the pieces that smolder in the sun (Untie! A little bit dies, a little each time, the medicine smile) 'Cause nothing can be broken when everything is one (Inside, your elegant guide, an arrow in flight a million miles)
I remember feeling the opposite of falling (Into that spot where we untie every knot) Spinning past the ceiling, absolution calling... "Are you there, or not?"
You bit into the apple, laid down your sword an shield (Untie! A little bit dies, a little each time, the medicine smile) Then spun 'round like a gyre in the unified field! (Inside, your elegant guide, an arrow in flight a million miles)
I remember feeling the opposite of falling (Into that spot where we untie every knot) Spinning past the ceiling, absolution calling... "Are you there, or not?"
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 28, 2015 13:38:46 GMT -6
This song caught me by surprise in one way, and at the same time wasn't in another. I wasn't a surprise that a song by Incubus was about self-awareness or something related. Nearly all Incubus songs are what would be classified as "music of Man No. 4". [1] On the other hand, they've never had a song about specific Fourth Way ideas, so much so that it seems they might be associated with it in some way. [2] Before getting into it myself, I'm curious to know what Fourth Way ideas you notice in the song. I will say that the chorus describes the process of self-remembering very specifically and accurately: " I remember feeling the opposite of falling (into that spot where we untie every knot) Spinning past the ceiling, Absolution calling ("Are you there or not?") OK, let's get started. What Fourth Way ideas do you notice in Absolution Calling? [1] If you're new to Fourth Way, here's a short explanation: There is a general scale of progression from levels 1 to 7. The different types of art, music, and even religion can be divided into categories according to the level a person has attained. For example, The music of Man No. 2 is primarily emotional (ala Country Music) because Man No. 2 interfaces with the world with his feelings. He prefers emotional music because that's what resonates with him, and it's what he understands. Man No.4 is someone who has progressed to the point that his primary interest is self-development. His music, therefore, is the music of self-development, especially development of self-awareness. [2] There's only two other bands which I know of which seem to share a Fourth Way connection: The Talking Heads and SoulMotor.
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Post by Padowan on Mar 28, 2015 16:58:28 GMT -6
First of all the chorus is sung in 7 beats and then 3 beats ~ law of sevens and threes Impression is a lyric at the forefront of the songs
The song itself is objective art.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 28, 2015 17:05:28 GMT -6
How is it objective art? Um... I didn't notice the 7/3 thing. That's kinda neat, but I can't think of point to encoding in the song. Maybe someone else can, and kudos just for being perceptive.
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Post by Padowan on Mar 28, 2015 17:15:11 GMT -6
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Post by Padowan on Mar 28, 2015 17:19:02 GMT -6
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Post by Padowan on Mar 28, 2015 17:44:15 GMT -6
Absolution
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 28, 2015 19:21:32 GMT -6
Wow, well done. That's something else I didn't think of. EDIT: That was in relation to your last post, Absolution ≈ Absolution. I noticed that you had two other posts above it. Yes, they are kind of shock points, with the flow of it. And I read about objective art. Haven't heard of it before but damn good point, and describes a lot of what Incubus does. Heh You are indeed an INTJ
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Post by Padowan on Mar 29, 2015 5:34:51 GMT -6
One more observation:
This song encompasses the whole of his teaching, as only a song and a video could possibly be the way to do that.
They are attempting to transmit the idea of the Ray of Creation in art.
'An arrow in flight'
In math, a Ray looks much like an arrow .
The 4th way teachings surrounding the Ray of Creation combine math and tones into the law of octaves (7) and laws of three. If you notice the video it shows the Ray of Creation in action creating Enneagrams. The Enneagram is a symbol that represents a system: Gurdjieff: "In order to understand the enneagram it must be thought of as in motion, as moving. A motionless enneagram is a dead symbol, the living symbol is in motion"
The video appears to be multiple enneagrams in motion, to the point where one appears to be a galaxy.
At least, that's how I interpret it.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 29, 2015 7:17:20 GMT -6
I think you're onto something, again, that I wasn't thinking about. I'll post my original thoughts and comment on yours later. Combining the two, though, mine now seems double-layered.
Anyone else see / hear any similarities between the song and any Fourth Way ideas? Or detail to add to what's already been said?
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 31, 2015 2:29:50 GMT -6
Full disclosure -- the following is straight from the rectal neithervoid. It seems to make sense that Absolution Calling is about the Fourth Way as a whole, but the only way to know for sure is if the band says so. The only thing I've heard anyone from Incubus say about it is that the song started with a baseline and evolved from there. Well, that's damned mimetic isn't it? So, assuming that it's true, the following interpretation of the the following lyrics, well, follows... If you were to lay a piece of paper with the enneagram printed on it, it would look sort of like an apple. If you turned it 180 degrees, with the 9th pointing towards you, it would look sort of like a smile. As I understand it, the 9th point is the balance point. A person who is at 9 is at the point where he can see both sides of a buffer, consider two sides of an argument, being no longer entangled in whatever he was entangled in. It's the point where you can see the full swing of the pendulum. gyre, n. : a circular or spiral motion or form; especially :a giant circular oceanic surface current I'm taking a guess, since the law of seven and the law of three is encoded into the enneagram that the ray of creation is as well, and when you progress along the enneagram path you are also moving up the ray of creation. So, as you're progressing through the octaves on the enneagram, you're "unwinding" the ray of creation. Somewhat oddly, "Undone -- The Sweater Song" by Wheezer just came to mind: I suppose its somewhat appropriate because I've associated it with "untangling one's own bullshit." But this is fascinating: I get the idea that if there's any correlation, Undone was written with personality active, as it seems to suggest ego death. Anyway, next up, my original thoughts. Thanks to Kim for giving me something new to consider.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 1, 2015 9:49:08 GMT -6
1. It's a feeling that you're missing something 2. It's a feeling that you're living in a little bubble in the vast unknown 3. It's a deep understanding that you don't understand anything 4. It's sense that what you perceive as reality is really thin and it's almost like you could cut through it with a knife and see some kind of other dimension behind it
This is remembering to remember yourself, or at least noticing you are not remembering yourself.
The "spot" is the state of self-consciousness, which is the first reachable state where anything can be done at all.
Progressively, a more and more conscious state is required to keep on the path. As Gurdjeiff said -- the requirements go up. Also, the "knots" get smaller or, you work with finer and finer matters.
You keep repeating this over and over, coming back to the same place on higher octaves.
If the notes were numbers of rooms in a hotel, and self-remembering was 105, "spinning past the ceiling" means walking through 106 to 204, to get to 205 and on to 206, where there cycle begins again. "I am here" is a phrase repeated by some trying to get the sense of being in the now, and thus self-remembering.
If the rooms ending in five were considered to be a separate path, even though you have to walk through all the other rooms between them, the you'd be "Turning like a wheel inside a wheel" as David Byrne described it.
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