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Post by deformity on Oct 12, 2014 8:33:26 GMT -6
99% of the human population CAN be hypnotized. I found out most recently through having a roommate who is a licensed hypnotist, every time I ask him to hypnotize me(ive been more then willing hoping that it would work) but sadly he told me that I'm like him, I can't be hypnotized) guess I'm a little to conscious. I found out me and my sister make up the 1% as well as neuro linguistics being unable to swade in conversation. Norman Lewis Bowman is my roommate he has written to books on hypnotism, Search him up. He is currentle teaching me in, pattern disturbance, and neuro linguistics. As as I am taking online classes at HMI.com and in a year I will have my hypnotherapy certification. Norman said to me if you cant be hypnotized might as well become the Hypnotist. What y'alls option on hypnotism
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Post by noname on Nov 2, 2014 17:20:58 GMT -6
..I'm still doubtful of hypnotism's effects.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 3, 2014 10:52:49 GMT -6
73% of all statistics are made up.
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Post by noname on Nov 3, 2014 19:03:59 GMT -6
I heard it was 87% as of two minutes ago.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 16, 2015 14:04:43 GMT -6
My opinion is that it's a hell of a lot of fun -- and I've learned a lot about other things while dabbling a bit in it as a sort of hobbyist, so it's been worthwhile.
From your post I get the idea that you're learning hypnosis from a therapeutic frame. In contrast, I'm more towards the mentalist/seduction sides of it so for me and my willing vict--hypnotic subjects, it's been fun to play with.
(Bwa ha ha ha!)
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Post by Padowan on Mar 16, 2015 17:53:18 GMT -6
My question, as a former victim of seductive hypnosis, does being highly susceptible to 'willing' hypnosis give me an advantage in hypnotizing others? I think yes. As I can experience the patters I delve into I can possibly help lead them better than one who cannot be hypnotized.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 16, 2015 18:14:25 GMT -6
My question, as a former victim of seductive hypnosis, does being highly susceptible to 'willing' hypnosis give me an advantage in hypnotizing others? I think yes. According to Bandler, yes. It's about pacing and leading, and the persuasion rule of "You go first." So, yeah, if you seriously got into hypnosis then you'd be a danger to all humankind if you wanted. You'd create a lead state in yourself for someone to sync to rather than being led into it. The exact opposite of that was when I couldn't get my mojo working.
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Post by Padowan on Mar 16, 2015 18:47:43 GMT -6
Wonderful. That opens up so many options for me.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 16, 2015 19:17:11 GMT -6
Are you sure you're not already doing something similar already? "When you smile the whole world smiles with you."
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 16, 2015 19:19:06 GMT -6
Wonderful. That opens up so many options for me. Does any of those options involve building an evil robot army and taking ... ...over .. ...THE WORLD!?!?
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Post by Padowan on Mar 16, 2015 19:26:36 GMT -6
Possibly. Taking over a small area of my world, anyway.
I am always influencing those around me, I just wasn't aware of it for some time. Now, with recent clarity, I can see what I have been doing naturally before. My difficulty lies in separating my natural ability to lead people with a self awareness of an objective view. I am having difficulty leading smoothly and watching myself in action as well as pay attention to the other person's reactions. It's a lot to take in and separate at once.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 16, 2015 19:40:00 GMT -6
An experiment to demonstrate that kind of cognitive load is given right in the beginning of Liber A:O. So, it's normal.
You start by "observing with a broad brush." Watch those things which are most salient -- whatever it is you notice first. Then with continued observation, noticing them becomes automatic and kind of fades into the background. Then you begin to notice the things which are less salient than the previous ones.
It's like listening to a metal song where you've heard it enough that you've memorized the loud blaring lead guitar -- which then fades enough that you can hear a set of conga drums you never heard before.
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Post by Padowan on Mar 16, 2015 21:30:20 GMT -6
So how do I maintain my innate abilities I had before while observing objectively. It's like memorizing a speech, then allowing the recognition of yourself on stage, hearing your own voice and it screws up your public presentation. 'Forgetting' oneself is almost imperative to 'flow' in the moment.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Mar 17, 2015 0:12:51 GMT -6
What do you mean by 'innate'? I'm thinking if the abilities were innate you'd have them before and after objectively observing them -- only your awareness of them would change.
It's something like "How do you keep your ability to spell words while typing? Well, it's all automatic now and you don't even think about it." It's part of dual process. You only have to conciously concentrate on what you're observing at the time. Like when you learned to type you had to observe where your fingers were and verify you were pressing the right key.
But now that conscious process has been shifted to a subconscious process and you don't have to think about it anymore.
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Post by deformity on May 25, 2015 19:21:43 GMT -6
when you say mentalist/seductive approach you may want to read more into NLP(neuro linguistic programming) which i know a little bit about like word tieing and access loops. but like you im also into mentalism and cold reading
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Post by shawnhartnell on May 25, 2015 22:38:17 GMT -6
when you say mentalist/seductive approach you may want to read more into NLP(neuro linguistic programming) which i know a little bit about like word tieing and access loops. but like you im also into mentalism and cold reading ^ He don't know me too well, do he? But seriously, that's why I say that. Bandler, Jeffries and Erickson are sort of folk heroes of mine. Also Banacheck on the mentalist side and Ledowski on the hypnotist side. From the PUA side, business side, a thousand other sides, the man himself -- Eben Pagan.
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