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Post by shawnhartnell on Jul 11, 2014 23:23:27 GMT -6
If so, what do you do with it?
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Post by Anton B Raxas on Aug 3, 2014 16:30:01 GMT -6
The better question would be what I do not do with it.
Chaos/Kaos was the first practice I approached when I looked into Ceremonial practice after stepping out of the confines of Wicca. Though I am solitary on my workings and still learning much, I have at least created my own rituals, rites, themes/servitors, spells and meditations. My only formal background has been in Native Tribal practices of the Waabano and dreamworking.
In any case I am a malleable vessel to be formed into the Divine.
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Post by agaku on Dec 9, 2014 14:03:36 GMT -6
If entering an altered state of mind, aka Gnosis , is necessary to practice chaos magick, what sets chaos magick apart from any other magical practice? It seems that, from what I've read and delved into, that altered states are a prerequisit to enact almost any spell. Are there certain elements that make chaos magick unique?
Hail Cthulhu!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 15:31:10 GMT -6
If entering an altered state of mind, aka Gnosis , is necessary to practice chaos magick, what sets chaos magick apart from any other magical practice? It seems that, from what I've read and delved into, that altered states are a prerequisit to enact almost any spell. Are there certain elements that make chaos magick unique? Hail Cthulhu! It's about paradigm. Other magical practices have their own paradigms, their beliefs. For example, one believes he has a kind of guardian angel who helps him in magick, this belief gives him faith, the ritual is done "in the name of my angel" and he is succeeding better. But with this system you absolutely have to sincerely believe in your angel, and you cannot pursue what your angel would disagree with.
Chaos magicians are creating, choosing their own, personal, system. It's often a mix of diverse kind of magick, and it's not a problem to change at will of "belief".
Awake.
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Post by ianmoone on Dec 30, 2014 23:25:19 GMT -6
If so, what do you do with it? I wonder... What don't we do with it? The universe (the literal one), occupies an ordered space within a chaotic medium; it is chaos given form. The form has an inherent entropy that will result in the ordered universe eventually collapsing back into chaos. In the meantime, it is constantly changing, giving rise to new forms of order as it continues to be defined by the intelligences within it and impacted by the chaos outside it. Since the order is possibly an illusion and it's nature is chaotic, any act by any being of this universe is an act of chaos. Assuming that eddies of order in the chaos of reality are rare and that the existence of intellegences within those eddies might be rarer still, our ability to act in any fashion is miraculous and unexpected. We are chaos embodied. The trick that has been played on us is to convince us otherwise. The trick we play on them is pretending to go along with it. Use what works, be it in the ritual chamber or the corporate boardroom, and remember that you are a temporary eddie of momentarily ordered chaos potentially capable of anything. Or, not.
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Post by tetragrammaton on Feb 7, 2015 16:17:06 GMT -6
No, I don't do chaos magick. To be honest, I truly despise it. (Not the persons who do it, but the "system" and "concept" itself) I knew a few persons who turned completely insane after they switched to countless of paradigms. To explain it in an understandable way: Their paradigms somehow mixed subconsciously and caused some weird mixture, which completely destroyed the life of these poor people. So, I go by: Better I have a strict, stable paradigm which helps me to understand the phenomena going around in this world than switching paradigms after each ritual and later be killed by it because I wasn't strong enough to eliminate the paradigm out of my mind. So, all in all: I work in "Hermetics", especially Franz Bardon's: "Initiation into Hermetics" which offers a metaphysical paradigm (with my own mathematical extension, of course) and helps me explaining each physical as well metaphysical phenomena. That's because Hermetics is a kind of "science" which "unites" both paths, Jachin and Boaz, the connection of the "higher" worlds to the "lower" worlds. Those "connections", "pillars", "two opposite forces" etc. can be found throughout the whole history of humanity.
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Post by saturn on Apr 5, 2015 19:05:32 GMT -6
To me Chaos is just the acknowledgment that, if magick is mainly in you head, then you don't need a special Super-Authentic Ancient System or anything...anything that rings true to you is what will actually work.
I think this is very important, given that we live in a modern world, and any connection to "authentic" original indigenous cultures and their magick is extremely strained if even existing at all.
Like the Wiccans who dubiously claim that their rituals are descended from real European witches -- Chaos magick says, who cares? Do what feels right to you, and it will all work.
As for the weird Chaos idea of embracing many different beliefs as tools unto themselves, I agree with the above poster that it's not necessary, and sounds like too much to keep track of in you head.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 6, 2015 6:43:09 GMT -6
saturn: What if dubiously claiming that your rituals were descended from real European whatsits -- would it work for you?
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Post by saturn on Apr 6, 2015 22:11:27 GMT -6
That is a very good point. If it works for you, do it.
I guess, speaking for myself, I need a framework which just acknowledges the power of the mind & will to intervene in the world, and doesn't get hung up on specifics or ancient stuff. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense to me.
For me magick is something you access by actually doing it, not something based in the authority of external deities, ancient authorities, etc. Magick is almost like an invisible organ of the human body which some people acknowledge, some people don't, and some people even use without realizing.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 6, 2015 22:56:42 GMT -6
I completely fucked up my previous question. It was supposed to be :
What if dubiously claiming that your rituals were descended from real European whatsits feels right to you -- would it also work for you?
How so?
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