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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Feb 5, 2012 9:20:32 GMT -6
What I’m going to try and explore with this is how the CoC can as a whole develop a stronger magical influence. not just on the individuals within it but on the world as whole. This sought of development usually comes naturally for occult groups. when a group of people meet and perform group rituals they are developing within the group an egregor that can over time become very powerful, to the point that it can effect quite notably people whom are not involved with the group.
The Cult of Cthulhu all ready has an egregor that spreads quite naturally amongst us cultists. Every time you say “Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn” you are contributing to it. It is even being proliferated when we share stories of dreams or Gnostic experiences. Thus far as individuals it has been allowed to manifest unnoticed and unaffected. It basically is currently serving only as what could be called the culture and soul of the CoC. There’s no problem with it really, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for growth and evolution. Again this all ready happens naturally and can easily be affected by individuals within the Cult.
So why start affecting it? Well quite simply i believe this could be the difference between the Cult being ‘just another group’ and being something both feared and respected. There’s no reason the CoC can’t be as influential on the world as groups like the Christian church or hold the renown of the free masons. In fact given the unique nature of the cult and the fact that it’s at the forefront of the magical, philosophical and spiritual world we can surpass them. Is a world under Cthulhu just an idea or can we actually do this? I say yes, though i doubt the sleepeople will see our astral tentacles. A magical army of heretical cultists could topple any government if it so wished.
I have been involved on and off with the CoC for several years now and watched it become more refined and sophisticated. This is obviously good, but what happened to the insanity, the madness? We can’t just leave each other to our own magical devices. There is strength in unity my brothers and sisters. Cthulhu is not the face of intellectualism. We shouldn’t limit our interactions to just learning and teaching.
Let’s face it, keeping ‘real’ by means of normalcy and conformity is all well and good to help commune some of the complex ideas. It means we as a cult are more approachable for prospective members, which is fine. But when people come to the CoC on whatever forum and see us as just talking and being ‘normal’ it sucks. “Oh look a boring Cult of smarties how.... un appealing.” Obviously we shouldn’t stop trying to better ourselves and each other by such methods as tutelage and general interaction and education but that should not be the limit of it.
As you recall I said a world under Cthulhu not a world with him. We all know the CoC will never be mainstream, it couldn’t be. Anyone whom has applied what we have to offer is well aware that this isn’t for the masses. Satanism is feared by the ignorant because of obvious cultural history. A history of violence and depravity looked down upon by even some of the lowest of people. I realize that this type of Satanism is outdated and reflected only in culture currently. Rightly so, but the fear that it generates in the ignorant is useful to those whom know how to use it (few Satanist do).
I'm not saying we should start killing just so people fear us. That natural repulsion is what makes ‘black magic’ so powerful. There’s a reason ghosts and demons are all ways said to grow stronger off fear. In fact that may be one of the only things unanimously understood about their functioning. Why is this? Well fear can make something more real, more prominent in the mind. When you feel threatened by something it takes hold of you and becomes the centre point of focus. When i was learning to ride motorcycles I was told that just before a crash you will stare at whatever it is you’re about to crash into. Now their recommendation was obviously to not focus on the thing and focus on breaking and preparing to eat shit. But the point is fear focuses and focus makes real that which may still be on the outskirts of perceived reality.
This is important because it can help build the egregor of the Cthulhu Cult. The very same egregor that could, nay, will make us a global force. So as individuals our magical potency is dependent on the weight in reality we give to our paradigms i.e. belief is reality. So as it stands making your magic more powerful will require making your paradigm seem more real. Fear stands to help us here. There is a reason you’re told be afraid of spells back firing or thought forms turning against you.
*For the rookie it’s easy to fear the magic they are newly starting to understand. Whilst none will realise it at the time, their emotional centres are helping them manifest the magic they’re employing. The more parts of the mind that are focused on the spell or ritual at the time the better chances of success. There are other factors but they relate back to the practitioner and what’s going on in their head. This is why people often come into the occult with such gusto devouring whatever information they can. All to soon though the mystery is gone.
Unfortunately with time and experience it’s all too easy to ‘become the darkness’. That’s a good thing but it leaves a hole in the externalized parts of the paradigm. *When one doesn’t naturally feel an emotional charge during magic what’s done. Sure you can take it another level with more elaborate rituals etc. but that could be likened to a junkie chasing a high. This is where the CoC is set apart. The 4th way allows one to take control of the usually reactive mechanics of the mind. With practice the Cthulhu Cultist can put his/ her entire consciousness and will into any magical working, regardless of whether or not there’s natural reactive response.
Using the reactive minds of others to build our paradigm is going to help us grow. So this is why i suggest that we chase the fear or repulsion of others to fill that gap. To give an example: I once had some family over. One of my cousins was with me and noticed the occult books on my desk. He picked up and briefly glanced over it before immediately dropping it and leaving the room. He was legitimately afraid of even being near the book. Something i found out after trying to show him the contents and explain some of it. Like i said this isn’t for masses. Just as well because we need to feed Cthulhu someone, i just hope my cousin digests easy.
What this is doing is using other people to help build our paradigm, to build our egregor. There are other ways with which we can build the egregor and thus become stronger. A good example would be collaborative magic. We should as a cult and in some cases as small groups within; discuss common goals, establish a ritual that is relevant for all and then carry it out. Venger has done things like this before with Kort’thalis and Kort’stalis. He put forward the sigils their meaning and some concurrent text. Kort’thalis and especially Kort’stalis the older have developed some real and powerful resonance with me. In fact I’d wager anyone that frequently visits cultofcthulhu.net probably feels a certain way about them.
That’s because you’ve seen them and you don’t have to be paying attention for them to seep into you subconscious. All we have to do to allow the cult of Cthulhu to permeate into power is build it’s egregor. In one way by having it’s name symbols and images leak in subtle ways into the consciousness of the masses. Not with joking propaganda, it’s fun yes but it’s weakening our paradigm. We act amongst ourselves as a casually serious group of teachers/ students which is fine, comfort is important, but so is image. Lets face no one looks good in an armchair. Do you think Coke Cola became a powerhouse by not caring what people think of it?
The amazing thing is however that a group like Coke has to try to get the masses to regard it how they want. We on the other hand can quite easily, as a group and as individuals, get people to regard us in such a way as we gain from it. In fact as magicians it’s even closer to our tentacle!
I don’t want to declare new customs to be undertaken by the cult at large, but there are several things we can do as individuals to help the Cult as it stands now. Cast a spell designed to have people regard you personally as someone to feared. Obviously you might want to isolate a specific group as you would have all ready established a report amongst other circles. I might mention now the best test of magical power is how easily you can change the views of those around you via magic alone. It’s simple and can easily been seen as it works. It also can help build confidence in your magic. From confidence comes power.
Fear is good in this way specifically because it means they won’t soon be forgetting you. Because of course no one forgets something they’re afraid of. How many of the hellish sorcerers in Cthulhu Mythos where described as approachable? Sure to each other they where, but to those looking in it is another story. A popular story actually. This is natural flow; we are stopping the slime from flowing by our actions and more often our inactions.
Another thing you can do to help build our Cult is to share your magic. Upload some sigils that you have made along with their meaning. Then other cultists should take the time to charge the sigils in whatever way they choose, or in some cases if it’s appropriate in the same manner done by the original magi. I’ve read some cultists say they do nightly rights. Awesome, but why not give direction and meaning to those nightly rights? As it says in the satanic bible, there is no such thing as a practice spell. If they are towards a goal then it’s worth it. Otherwise it’s just masturbation.
I said before that I believe we can achieve a world under Cthulhu. This is something both very far off and right at our doorstep. You notice i use theistic reference to Cthulhu, that’s because, that’s where the magical power resides. Don’t forever degrade these entities by trying to over rationalize them. Yaji ash-shuthath. Magic works, if you don’t think so then you haven’t tried. Global collaborative magic has been done before, with reported success.
We could be casting spells to help each other in small groups of 2-5. These could be very powerful and allow for good personal input on the working by everyone involved. Also as a cult unit, we could cast large spells to further the Cult’s agenda. Why chase power? Well we are trying to become gods right? The funny thing is that more people have become gods of the macrocosm then of their microcosms. So why settle for just the latter, when the former could be just as rewarding?
So yes we can find new power in practices like this and other simple things. Like sigil sharing and collaborative magic. If we were to film ourselves but once or twice during these collaborative rituals the visuals will make magical connections. In fact I would like to see something like this done for Walpurgisnacht. Let us truly bring about the Age of Cthulhu. On a global scale people couldn’t be easier to effect. And shit like the 2012 doomsday fears has left the sleepeople ripe for the picking.
There are plenty of other similarly easy (imo) undertakings we could do.
This is why more activity and participation is important for members and for the Cult. This is as important to the development of the CoC as the 4th way is. The 4th way is the slab; the members are the ziggurat, the pillars, the bricks in the pyramid if you will. The shear mental image of these things strengthens our paradigms, so imagine if you could look onto these networks and see the workings of the entire cult! Got that image in your head? Like it? There is nothing between us and this save a few loading bars and some buttons pressed.
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Post by sin on Feb 5, 2012 10:45:20 GMT -6
This video is relevant to your interest in making the CoC more recognizable and effective using 'magical means'. I've been trying to get people to stand up and use their ritual madness to effect this ricoculous culture we call 'society' for years.
There are only a few so bold as to make that attempt.
Are you one of them?
I highly suggest collaborative projects.
There is a group on the Social Network dedicated to this, a few have 'tried' to get things going, but then people get sucked back into the machine city and nothing ever gets done.
I'm doing, but there seems to be a 'ritual madness' element missing from this cult, and has been for quite sometime. There was a time when it was viral. And I think Madguten was the most inspiration in that area a few years ago.
When 'drama' becomes your key aim, people go back to sleep, and often far deeper than can be imagined.
The best we can do, is lead by example and force inspiration into the ether.
RISE!
CS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 16:35:26 GMT -6
Shaz'rahjeem I like what you wrote ; Yes we should at least "establish a ritual that is relevant for all and then carry it out."
I'm thinking about the Emerald mass, we need it ! I imagine a lecture of some of the best sentences from books or essay of Brother Satanis, a solemn call to the Old Ones and namely Cthulhu, a ritual within the mass, basically viridian Magic, you imagine-visualize the void and throw your will in it.
Let's keep it simple, you would just need a black fabric (cloth), a green candle, and a drawing of Kort’thalis.
A mass is not trivial, to know that your brothers in faith are doing the same is really powerful.
Why not begin with that ? Once the Emerald Mass established we will go forward.
Any ideas for our mass ?
Remember yourself, for the emerald kingdom is at hand !
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Feb 5, 2012 20:00:04 GMT -6
That's a great video cora'sahn. Yes your all to right humanity is going to find his essence best reflected in nature. Yes, leading by example is the best way. Although i dare say maybe we should mandate at least one recorded ritual from members. That's not asking much, everyone has a video camera in there phone. But again yes it's best to start by doing rather then legislating(lest we become like the government).
As you've said Yrreiht something simple. So it can be undertaken easily by anyone and so it's not to difficult to understand for new comers. I had in mind something similar to what you've described as well.
What we could do is have everyone we can, perform the same or at least a similar ritual. Something basic but with clear and strong intents. We do this leading up to Walpurgisnacht. Then on that unholy date we few whom might choose too, participate in a set of much more extravagant rituals. he small ones would serve as momentum builders and the Walpurgisnacht ritual as the final firing of the spell.
we could then of course make some kind of montage video involving all the collective recordings. A video like this could be useful to the cult in many ways: promotion, recruitment, demonstration of power and in some cases to garner fear from those whom might pretend them selves our masters.
yay, nay, got any other ideas?
Awake!!!
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Post by Kai'zen on Feb 5, 2012 21:05:13 GMT -6
What I’m going to try and explore with this is how the CoC can as a whole develop a stronger magical influence. not just on the individuals within it but on the world as whole. This sought of development usually comes naturally for occult groups. when a group of people meet and perform group rituals they are developing within the group an egregor that can over time become very powerful, to the point that it can effect quite notably people whom are not involved with the group.
The Cult of Cthulhu all ready has an egregor that spreads quite naturally amongst us cultists. Every time you say “Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn” you are contributing to it. It is even being proliferated when we share stories of dreams or gnostic experiences. Thus far as individuals it has been allowed to manifest unnoticed and unaffected. It basically is currently serving only as what could be called the culture and soul of the CoC. There’s no problem with it really, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for growth and evolution. Again this all ready happens naturally and can easily be effected by individuals within the Cult.
So why start effecting it? well quite simply i believe this could be the difference between the Cult being ‘just another group’ and being something both feared and respected. There’s no reason the CoC can’t be as influencial on the world as groups like the christian church or hold the renown of the free masons. In fact given the unique nature of the cult and the fact that it’s at the forefront of the magical, philosophical and spiritual world we can surpass them. Is a world under Cthulhu just an idea or can we actually do this? I say yes, though i doubt the sleepeople will see our astral tentacles. A magical army of heretical cultists could topple any government if it so wished.
I have been involved on and off with the CoC for several years now and watched it become more refined and sophisticated. This is obviously good, but what happened to the insanity, the madness? We can’t just leave each other to our own magical devices. Strength in unity my brothers and sisters. Cthulhu is not the face of intellectualism. we shouldn’t limit our interactions to just learning and teaching.
Lets face it, keeping ‘real’ by means of normalcy and conformity is all well and good to help commune some of the complex ideas. It means we as a cult are more approachable for prospective members, which is fine.But when people come to the CoC on what ever forum and see us as just talking and being ‘normal’ it sucks. “Oh look a boring Cult of smarties how.... un appealing.” Obviously we shouldn’t stop trying to better our selves and each other by such methods as tutelage and general interaction and education but that should not be the limit of it.
As you recall I said a world under Cthulhu not a world with him. We all know the CoC will never be mainstream, it couldn’t be. Anyone whom has applied what we have to offer is well aware that this isn’t for the masses. satanism is feared by the ignorant because of obvious cultural history. A history of violence and depravity looked down upon by even some of the lowest of people. I realize that this type of Satanism is outdated and reflected only in culture currently. Rightly so, but the fear that it generates in the ignorant is useful to those whom know how to use(few satanist do).
I'm not saying we should start killing just so people fear us. If you want to try it then by all means have fun, but it’s not required. The fear though is useful. That natural repulsion is what makes ‘black magic’ so powerful. There’s a reason ghosts and demons are all ways said to grow stronger off fear. In fact that may be one of the only things unanimously understood about their functioning. Why is this? Well fear can make something more real, more prominent in the mind. when you feel threatened by something it takes hold of you and becomes the center point of focus. When i was learning to ride motorcycles I was told that just before a crash you will stare at whatever it is you’re about to crash into. Now their recommendation was obviously to not focus on the thing and focus on breaking and preparing to eat shit. but the point is fear focuses and focus makes real that which may still be on the outskirts of ‘reality.’
This is important because it can help build the egregor of the Cthulhu Cult. The very same egregor that could, nay, will make us a global force. So as individuals our magical potency is dependent on the weight in reality we give to our paradigms ie. belief is reality. So as it stands making your magic more powerful will require making your paradigm seem more real. Fear stands to help us here. There is a reason you’re told be afraid of spells back firing or thought forms turning against you. Again fear can make real to the mind that which otherwise might be considered to not exist.
Unfortunately with time and experience it’s all to easy to ‘become the darkness’. That’s a good thing but it leaves a hole in the externalized parts of the paradigm. It’s hard to fear what you have become. So this is why i suggest that we chase the fear or repulsion of others to fill that gap. To give an example: I once had some family over. One of my cousins was with me and noticed the occult books on my desk. He picked up and briefly glanced over it before immediately dropping it and leaving the room. he was legitimately afraid of even being near the book. Some thing i found out after trying to show him the contents and explain some of it. Like i said this isn’t for masses. Just as well because we need to feed Cthulhu someone, i just hope my cousin digests easy.
What this is doing is using other people to help build our paradigm, to build our egregor. There are other ways with which we can build the egregor and thus become stronger. For example collaborcollaborative we should as a cult and in some cases as small groups within; discuss common goals, establish a ritual that is relevant for all and then carry it out. Venger has done things like this before with Kort’thalis and Kort’stalis. He put forward the sigils their meaning and some concurrent text. Kort’thalis and especially Kort’stalis the older have developed some real and powerful resonance with me. In fact I’d wager anyone that frequently visits cultofcthulhu.net probably feels a certain way about them.
That’s because you’ve seen them and you don’t have to be paying attention for them to seep into you subconsious. All we have to do to allow the cult of cthulhu to permeate into power is build it’s egregor. In one way by having it’s name symbols and images leak in subtle ways into the consciouses of the masses. Not with joking propaganda, it’s fun yes but it’s weakening our paradigm. We act amongst ourselves as a casually serious group of teachers/ students which is fine, comfort is important. But so is image, and lets face no one looks good in an armchair. Do you think Coke Cola became a powerhouse by not caring what people think of it?
The amazing thing is however that a group like Coke has to try to get the masses to regard it how they want. We on the other hand can quite easily, as a group and as individuals, get people to regard us in such a way as we gain from it. In fact as magicians it’s even closer to our tentacle!
I don’t want to declare new customs to be undertaken by the cult at large, but there are several things we can do as individuals to help the Cult as it stands now. Cast a spell designed to have people regard you personally as someone to feared. Obviously you might want to isolate a specific group as you would have all ready established a report amongst other circles. I might mention now the best test of magical power is how easily you can change the views of those around you via magic alone. It’s simple and can easily been seen as it works. It also can help build confidence in your magic. From confidence comes power.
Fear is good in this way specifically because it means they won’t soon be forgetting you. Because of course no one forgets something they’re afraid of. How many of the hellish sorcerers in Cthulhu Mythos where described as approachable? Sure to each other they where, but to those looking in it is another story. A popular story actually. This is natural flow, we are stopping the slime from flowing by our actions and more often our inactions.
Another thing you can do to help build our Cult is to share your magic. Upload some sigils that you have made along with their meaning. Then other cultists should take the time to charge the sigil in whatever way they choose, or in some cases if it’s appropriate in the same manner done by the original magi. I’ve read some cultists say they do nightly rights. Awesome, but why not give direction and meaning to those nightly rights? As it says in the Satanic bible, there is no such thing as a practice spell. If they are towards a goal then it’s worth it. Otherwise it’s just masturbation.
I said before that I believe we can achieve a world under Cthulhu. Some thing both very far off and right at our doorstep. You notice i use theistic reference to Cthulhu, that’s because that’s where the magical power resides. Don’t forever degrade these entities by trying to over rationalize them. Yaji ash-shuthath. Magic works, if you don’t think so then you haven’t tried. Global collabrative magic has been done before, with reported success.
We could be casting spells to help each other in small groups of 2-5. These could be very powerful and allow for good personal input on the working by everyone involved. We can also as a cult cast large spells to further the Cults power. Why chase power? Well we are trying to become gods right? The funny thing is that more people have become gods of the macrocosm then of their microcosms. So why settle for just the latter, when the former could be just as rewarding?
So yes we can find new power in practices like this and other simple things.Like sigil sharing and collaborative magic. If we were to film ourselves but once or twice during these collaborative rituals the visuals will make magical connections. In fact I would like to see something like this done for Walpurgisnacht. Let us truly bring about the Age of cthulhu. On a global scale people couldn’t be more easy to effect. And shit like the 2012 doomsday fears has left the sleepeople ripe for the picking.
They’re are plenty of other similarly easy(imo) undertakings we could do.
This is why more activity and participation is important for members and for the Cult. This is as important to the development of the CoC as the 4th way is. The 4th way is the slab, the members are the ziggurat, the pillars, the bricks in the pyramid if you will. The shear mental image of these things strengthens our paradigms, so imagine if you could look onto these networks and see the workings of the entire cult! Got that image in your head? Like it? There is nothing between us and this save a few loading bars and some buttons pressed.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn I see. The proliferation of the Cult paradigm in to the outside world could be helped along by a few things. (On the topic I seriously recommend Ellis: The Assault on Reality, it has some very interesting applications of sigils in relation to an egregore, as created by an online organisation.) If we want to seep through the consciousness of the masses we need to think of ways to do it, I seriously recommend graffitti. Also sneaking copies of Cthulhu Cult into libraries, I say Cthulhu Cult because it is more full of the "slime and human blood", and the rampant insanity than the later Cult material. Get together with one or two others and perform a working down at the docks at night, if anyone sees you, what will they think? I've taken to climbing down manholes in spaces that people often walk past at night, and working in there, chanting the nine angles of Uoon'Kalool in plain sight, but only dimly spied. I feel like the Cult feels quite "clean" and intellectual, even close to orthodox, quite in opposition with the material from a few years ago. In my opinion it results from a misuse of the Fourth Way within the cult. "Awake" and "Insane" are not mutually exclusive, but the Cthulhu Cult synthesis seems pretty much lost on the Cult at present. I am interested in doing work with other cultists, my current focus is hypnogogia and as always, I'm working with sigils. If anyone has any particular ideas for a working we can all participate in I'll gladly join in on that. Also, if we want a particular "date of occasion" the equinox is coming soon. I'm going to put up "Sorcerers Wanted" posters on pin boards and such around town for an equinox working, maybe someone will get in touch. As another suggestion, if we want to create a more "magical" atmosphere in the Cult, why don't we collaborate on a Cult grimoire, I know there has been some call for "Cult" rituals to work from, if we all work together on it, I think we could produce a high quality piece of work, something along the lines of Anton LaVeys "Satanic Rituals" (which was by the way, a collaboration). I have a few rituals in mind, that might need a little more experimentation first, but could eventually be published. These ideas and more to come! IA! IA! CTHULHU FTAGN!
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Feb 6, 2012 22:02:07 GMT -6
A lot of your ideas are good razel, a few of them i have heard before as well. Graffiti would work, but the Cult can't officially support it.
Things like the CoC grimoire are ideas i have seen thrown around several times. Something Like that would take time as i think to truly do it justice would require substantial efforts. At the moment this sight functions in such a way that it is comparable to a constantly evolving book of knowledge. These forums and networks can be a well spring of inspiration. In part i believe sigil sharing as well as videos and collaborative magic will be helpful to expand on the inspiration.
As for an actual book though well it would be quite a different thing. I think we should establish in such a book a story line for the uiverse a narrative for the A:O there interactions with each other and and how they can be approached magically. Also it could incorporate the various other elements of the CoC such as the 4th way and general magical application. This would allow it serve as both a ritual book, manual and grimoire. Remember a grimoire is not just a manual of spell craft or some kinda of self help book. The book I think should be not sold but rented in only very limited editions to cultists. The repeated exchange of hands on each book will make them magically potent.
I know establishing an exact approach to the A:O and Viridian magic could be risky and as you put it Razel some what orthodox, but it would certainly help to build the egregor and magical power of the cult. Also it would help new members come to terms with the complexities of the Mythos. Allowing the chaos to flow so non-specifically is going to stop us from making progress. Too do this justice will be hard because I personally think it should be rigid in structure enough that it creates externally for new people and existing ones a paradigm that will allow the establishment of a uber-egregor.
A narrative of the universe idea comes into play here. The complexities of the A:O, their place within various magical paradigms and the manner of approach has been left up to the individual thus far. However the individual is merely using the Mythos as a whole. We all have the same source material why not just unify it and make it official? The more that is understood about the egregor and the A:O the stronger the paradigm can become.
We can do this without as I said, degrading and over rationalizing the entities. Infact i think that a narrative would do them more justice as it will allow for imagination to still weigh in on a microcosmic level. Personal freedom within the paradigm would manifest in the various gods. The A:O are not mutually exclusive to each other, they all exist simultaneously and serve roughly similar but conceptually different functions magicaly. If we establish a narrative for this pantheon it would mean that all individuals would still have freedom to choose which deities they personally interact with. They could then choose on whatever basis they wished, as each deity is all ready given to govern various magical elements. Elements such as; night gaunts, shoggoths, the hounds of tindalas, the deep ones, sigils, complex rituals, the outer gods, the mechanics of hyperspace, the nature of the void etc etc.
If we give structure to the pantheon in this way i think it could allow for a joining of the indivual paradigms into he one uber-egregor. The Old Ones will return when the stars align Allowing the chaos to writhe freely is nice but it's directionless. We are sorcerers after all, we are the heretical cultists that usher in the age of cthulhu, we must be the ones to align the stars and thus pave way for the Great Old Ones. IA IA!
I think a mandated initiation ritual might be a good idea. People can film it and then the egregor will grow on both the macro and microcosmic levels. The initation ritual should be something specific and should both add to the egregor as a whole and create a sense of union with the cult as whole. Something simple like Yrreiht said could work fine. Visualizations are important as well(the narrative of th A:O could come into play here) we should also start to create for ourselves an egregor which involves astral cultists. Thought forms are widely known to eventually operate independently, i think we can create an uber-egregor using a mixture of these various ideas.
Visualizations of huge masses of cultists isn't to hard as it is. But if we started sharing videos of rituals and the like it would make it much more potent. For the advanced magi it's possible to create legion style though forms, voidal armies as it where. Let the night run thick with armies of the cult, let the darkness swell with our shoggoths and let the deathly calls of the dread father be heard in the dark corners of all minds.
I think specifically we should stress the reality of magic more to the initiate, should they not have all ready seen it's working. If they have then we need to stress the power of the cult and the A:O, let them fear Cthulhu and Yog-Sothoth, let them truely consider the implications of what might happen should a ghoul decide to make a meal of them. Belief makes reality and fear can bring it to an apex.
Evoking an emotional response from people is important. For the newbies that don't yet know the 4th way or atleast have yet to establish a magnetic center and crystallized I their emotions still shape their subjective realities. Utilization of this hopefully brief time among new members will be vital to us. In Cthulhu Cult something is said to the effect of; energy is generated when you fight with lesser gods to break free of you mental prison. People at these early stages do not understand such things, and certainly don't utilize them. We need to then as a Cult use this natural process.
It's not orthodoxical because it doesn't end there. Sure it's similar in function to Christianities use of the 'hell' concept. They use it for conversion much more basically as they are trying to call in the mass of idiot sheep, the lord is their shepard and all that shit. We on the other hand are tying to also educate, these things are to help people begin to grow to get them to move out of general consensus reality. It's not easy, so why not use our tentacles to give them a push. I know this sounds manipulative and maybe it is. But it's only a means to an end.
For the bottom of the pyramid this would work well, as people move up the Ziggurat and learn more about the workings of the void and of magic they will understand it fine. It's manipulative yes, but not deceitful. It's no different to creating a magical grimoir and within declare theistic reality to the A:O and ascribe specfic properties to sigils and incantations. In fact declaring such things from the get go will only serve to make them stronger. We have to work with the conditions of the minds that come to us. trying to obliterate someones reality without any mitigating factors is not going anywhere.
Thoughts?
Awake!!
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Post by marth3456 on Feb 6, 2012 22:52:30 GMT -6
Oddly enough i got interested in Cthulhu by a book. It was The New Cthulhu The Recent Weird. It was a book that had Lovecraft style to the modern world. That i think is how we can get the word out. As we all know there little memes of Cthulhu that are popular. That could be our gateway. By using these and other similar Memes we could in theory plant a seed of curiosity. Get people to want to know more and were naturally stick in the website or one of the books (maybe both the more the merrier) Satanism has gotten big due to Death Metal it attracts the young folk. If i am not mistaken there are Solstice songs of the Mythos that is being used. One comment and one website and people may come. Cthulhu has his own little aura of attraction. It certainty got me and i was on a hunt for knowledge for a few days kinda over did it but i digress. I even found a emoticon for Cthulhu ^(;, ^ (you got to admit it's cute) simple stuff can cause people to look into more just as much as big. Also the little pieces of paper i mentioned earlier with catchy saying and website. As for the Emerald Mass i got to admit JoS ways was accurate and good in timing. They planned an exact date and a target. The ritural was up to the person that way more were inclinded to join. This also paved a way for a Day. A single Day was all that was needed not a accuate time which we all know is tough with time zones. Our only limitation is ourselves really. There's also rituals a grotto could plan separately. I had trouble and still have trouble moving my ass when it came to work. However magick is something im passionate about and i would move in an instant to advance in it. What i am really trying to get at is unity is not a get together. Its a sharing of passion, hopes, dreams, and even Will. We could be on different planets and still be united. We do not need a single time or place all we need is a single target. Keep hammering it day after day with everyone forcing their Will upon it. I may be new to the Cult and pretty new to magick but if its one thing i mastered its to never give up. My entire childhood was suffering. No friends family that would one day fly off the handle then the next only care about work. Books were my only companion and most were sci fi and fantasy. Sickening part was i had visualizations of killing myself. I fought on through it though. I hope this post isn't to long i tend to ramble at times. I wanted to express my childhood so you really got a feeling for who I am. Never had anywhere to call my home i thought i did a few times but i was only fooled into the same hate and lost i felt as a child. I hope i can finally find it here.
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 8:11:07 GMT -6
That's a great video cora'sahn. Yes your all to right humanity is going to find his essence best reflected in nature. Yes, leading by example is the best way. Although i dare say maybe we should mandate at least one recorded ritual from members. That's not asking much, everyone has a video camera in there phone. But again yes it's best to start by doing rather then legislating(lest we become like the government).
As you've said Yrreiht something simple. So it can be undertaken easily by anyone and so it's not to difficult to understand for new comers. I had in mind something similar to what you've described as well.
What we could do is have everyone we can, perform the same or at least a similar ritual. Something basic but with clear and strong intents. We do this leading up to Walpurgisnacht. Then on that unholy date we few whom might choose too, participate in a set of much more extravagant rituals. he small ones would serve as momentum builders and the Walpurgisnacht ritual as the final firing of the spell.
we could then of course make some kind of montage video involving all the collective recordings. A video like this could be useful to the cult in many ways: promotion, recruitment, demonstration of power and in some cases to garner fear from those whom might pretend them selves our masters.
yay, nay, got any other ideas?
Awake!!!
When we had the council pretty active, Dark Prism was going to spear-head doing all the technical aspects, he just needed the content. The group I set up on the Social Network was to share that content.
This is what I need to create a visual presentation:
1. Artwork 2. Video expression 3. Written word 4. Sound
The four main elements here, will make for an excellent visual presentation of the Ritual Madness we are all involved in, on a personal level, but joining it together as a group effort.
As you can see, I've made this project accessible, it's also outlined in the 'Collected Works of the Cthulhu Cult'. We only need participation.
I don't think 'mandating' will do the trick, I prefer we inspire Cultists to *want* to participate. I know, back in the old days, Madguten was a magical symbol unto himself. ANYTHING he created gave me cause to create myself within moments of having viewed it. Whether that be my poetry, art projects, trance and ritual, or the chaos monster of thought.
I think if we lead by example, as I have been doing, (as a group) this will undoubtedly have the same effect.
Through rich symbolism the purpose of our cult will be communicated and effectively, giving cause for others to answer the call and revel for their own detriment.
Links:
ART as knowledge
cultofcthulhu.wall.fm/groups/26
The collected works of the Cthulhu Cult:
cultofcthulhu.wikidot.com/
Each one of us has the potential to be ART as KNOWLEDGE in action. Even if you don't think you have a creative bone in your body. I assure you, YOU ARE WRONG.
Create. Never stop creation. Never trust anyone who doesn't create.
RISE! CS
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 8:23:10 GMT -6
I have provided a number of examples of short rituals to get the creative juice flowing. Some cultists may not know where to begin. If one is new to the occult and magical method, it is our duty to guide them as a collective.
When examining the basic elements, as well as the shocks needed this can be very personal and highly subjective. For what affects one, may not affect another.
I strongly suggest experimenting with various techniques to find the right magical means for you. For me, the most profound affects on my psyche is achieved through transcendental arts, the use of egregores, and forms of divination/necromancy.
The Kort'thalis is an excellent place to start. When I began working with it, I created a wooden box, this can be found on my artwork thread. The sigilization served a two fold purpose:
1. To drawn on the energy of the collective/as well as adding to it 2. Keep something hidden for myself.
The box remains an element of my altar chamber. It houses all of my ritual music and transcendental beats to be shared. There's also something, just for me.
Meta-Sigil
www.cultofcthulhu.net/2010/03/meta-sigil/
Ritual Work
cultofcthulhu.wikidot.com/the-work
I spear-headed this project to maintain valuable resources that cultists can use in one easy-to-find place. If you know of any post, that should be added here - pm me with the link.
The time is NOW.
CS
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 8:35:29 GMT -6
I was collaborating with one of our cultists on creating our own CoC tarot deck, but his living circumstances changed and there were more pressing matters to attend do (he will be back). In the meantime, I'd still like to finish this project. If anyone is interested in collaborating on it, please contact me.
The deck will be designed for working our paradigm, and allows for personal paradigms and shifts.
I recommend a review of my youtube playlist:
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1EC7987906CD8270&feature=view_all
This list includes many clips which are relevant to the creation of this deck.
I need artwork, and would like to refine the symbolism to be all encompassing of our cult paradigm. While I'm a chaos monster myself, I can not (and would prefer not to) do this alone.
I have many projects I'm working but they all relate to each other in some manner. In addition to my own publication which I will be launching this spring:
www.scribd.com/doc/79269458/The-Grotto-News-rag
I will need help with organizing our Green Trapezoid Magazine. The last issue I put out, was a collective of writing that would communicate the cult's key aims. It was last issued 4th Quarter 2011, we will be at the end of our first quarter 2012 real soon, and this project should really be in the hands of the cult as a whole. I felt it was important that this thing not die, but I seemed to be only one willing to breathe life back into it.
4th Quarter 2011: www.scribd.com/doc/65957728/Green-Trapezoid-Quarterly-2011
Believe me when I say, there are a METRIC TON of projects we could be doing, but I for one am tired of everyone talking about it, and not DOING much to manifest it. You got ideas? Swell. I'd like to see those ideas put into action. This Green Trapezoid could essentially BECOME our Cult Grimore, more formally. It's not going to manifest itself.
If there is a lack of participation, tell us what you think we could do to create it. How can we inspire it?
CS
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 8:39:51 GMT -6
A taste of Madguten.
In spite of his lack of participation on the forum and social network, I have NEVER lost touch with him. We continue to muse, and are exchanging artwork. I just finished a piece for him, and just need to ship it out.
www.youtube.com/user/Madguten?blend=1&ob=0
His youtube channel
CS
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 8:44:31 GMT -6
Can you imagine how exhausting it must be for VS to break everything down over and over, in as many ways as he can imagine, and not have the full support of the cult behind him?
That alone demands respect. He presses on, in spite of the lack of that support, the criticism, personal attacks, smear campaigns, and the LHP reveling against him.
He does not relent.
He was recently Exemplified in a group called "Excellence in Satanism", I doubt he's even seen it. His Internet activities are more specific and focused these days. He is out there manifesting his Will, but still guiding others to come into their own.
How admirable is that?
He's down-right fanatical. It begs to question, why the cult body is not.
CS
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 8:47:29 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 8:56:49 GMT -6
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Feb 7, 2012 10:23:01 GMT -6
It was actually Madgutens videos that in part made me want chase more creative aspects in cult. So it's interesting that you mention him. I haven't spoken with him in some time however.
I was starting to right things for the Green trapezoid back when it first took off. I'll contribute to what ever the current incarantion of it is. I'll pm you for details. I also had started uploading videos to youtube back in the day. I'm not sure why the videos aren't still up and i don't have original files anymore. However I'm not well resourced so i can't produce anything too elaborate, beyong raw footage and basic editing.
I am a pretty good drawer and am planning to get a digital tablet so i can create more digital art. This is primarily for personal enjoyment but I will produce CoC relvant content and even specific pieces upon request. If you look in my signiture there's a link to my site which contains most of my older art pieces and creative writing pieces(click on any image to enlarge).
Also you mentioned audio. I personally can play guitar, I play metal mainly but can cover a wide variety of things. Other then the guitar I have dabled in synths and key boards and some mixing programs. I
By the end of the week I will have uploaded content to my youtube channel. I also will try and start making head way on as i say 'sigil sharing'. Also feel free to I noticed Cora that you get involved with the traffic flow of the networks and seem to get involved with various members personally. If any rookies need a hand and you find yourself strained for time or whatever send them over to me at shazrahjeem@gmail.com I set that up as well a few years ago with Cult use in mind.
Also I agree that mandating isn't going to help. After thinking it over and how it would actually go down it'd be easier to not be so harsh. Further more I know some of the ideas I put forward might seem extreme. But understand I was trying to explain the specifics of how it could work optimally. Whilst it sounds tactically aggressive lane out like that. It would change cult operations little and be more like a wet stone to the blade.
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Post by sin on Feb 7, 2012 10:44:52 GMT -6
We can experiment with approaches and technique, hell if I had all the answers or the 'right' way of doing things, you'd think we would have more activity than we do. Not that I'm complaining about the small number, I prefer quality over quantity myself. I prefer more aggressive approaches myself, but I noticed that it turns people off, if they don't understand where the hell you are coming from with guns-blazing. I've noticed that having audio discussions seems to help A LOT. When people corner me to find out why I'm in cahoots with Crazy Ass Venger, I just tell them to meet me in a video chat. After 10 mins of talking, they understand. Hell, even their personal opinion of him is altered slightly. Even if they have some personal issue with him or his ideas.
Sound: Anything you can produce can be used, because I can manipulate the sound for those Eldrtich pitches we need for a good delivery in presentation. I have some audio editing software I've been working with, that's fairly easy to learn and use. I'm not techno-retarded, but I can be a retard when trying to learn all the technical stuff. I get better at it all the time, but having extra hands-on folks would help dramatically.
Fellowship: The idea is to get a solid upper echelon established to coach others, be on hand for questions, and guiding members to good content. The one-liner answers just don't cut it. People get turned off with the lack of interest in answering questions and analyzing their thoughts. If people are going to put their balls out there, it would behoove us to not cut them off, at least not right away Any help in this area is needed. I still have the private group going, we have 9 that post daily and participate. We started with 16, some have left due to lack of interest or a misunderstanding of what the group was being used for. The 9 remain constant. So, that seems to be working out.
As far as the 'dark' element, its here. Assuredly, but in order for people to fully grasp what this paradigm is about, is used for, we have to be equally cerebral about this. The aesthetic is useless if its not being used to manifest Will outside of imagining and romanticism.
The refinement of the cult body has so much potential its mind-boggling. I'd like to see it rise up from its foundation and be a force in the world. That's going to take interest, effort and achievement. Each member should be striving towards personal ascension, while grabbing his brother by the sleeve and egging him along, even if that takes a complete beat down.
CS
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Post by Kai'zen on Feb 7, 2012 16:24:53 GMT -6
I'm glad to see we have plenty of ideas here, I'm also curious to know that Madguten was a cultist at one point? I've known Madguten for some time on Facebook.
I've been fiddling around with my work and trying to get it into a presentable (intelligible) format, but the most I seem to be able to manage is a bunch of scribbled sigils and ranting about Toad symbolism.
I'd be happy to help with the Green Trapezoid, I'm making myself sit down and write for 3 hours a day, at the moment I'm not really producing anything worth reading, but I'm still working away. My hypnogogia is going pretty well, I managed some lucid visions of R'lyeh last night, but I couldn't hold it for very long, if I can get some more results out of that I'll do a write-up on it.
I may start doing some videos, though I'm not sure what about, most of my rituals aren't much to watch beyond a man squatting in a dark room making croaking and howling noises.
Willing and Working, Emrys Rezal Tsathokkua
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Feb 7, 2012 21:10:23 GMT -6
Cora'sahn has told me she'd like any content submissions for the green trapezoid by the first of march. So that gives you a couple weeks to get something together. Don't be to hard on yourself when it comes writing and your rituals. Share some of you writing on the forum and get some feed back, you'd be surprised how quickly you can start to refine creativity with a little bit of feedback during the process.
Most of what I hear people describe about they're personal practices is very similar to each others. We whom practice are doing the same things but still seem to outwardly project a sense of insecurity about. This phenomenon has grown because no one shares there stuff. Everyone seems to hold onto a fierce sense of privacy when it to their magic. Maybe it's because the rest of the world judges this stuff negatively.
shake off the shackles of this solo mind set. We should try and establish a stronger group mentality with magic. This will help create the uber-egregor i have mentioned.
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn!!!
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 8, 2012 9:26:04 GMT -6
^(;,^
Hahaha, cool...
How's everyone doing? Sorry I've been out of the loop for so long. Baby got sick, I got sick, wife got sick. We're better now, but for a few days it was pretty debilitating. Got a lot of stuff to catch up on.
Excellence in Satanism? Is there a link?
Awake!
VS
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Post by sin on Feb 8, 2012 11:18:43 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Feb 8, 2012 11:22:32 GMT -6
I am not concerned at all with picking 'poor' examples, I can use all the material, no matter how primitive or simple. The idea is to join efforts in demonstrating not only our cerebral Power, but our Magical Might!
The time is NOW.
CS
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Post by sin on Feb 8, 2012 11:25:27 GMT -6
For the sake of the cult fellowship:
He has been exemplified. The purpose of the group is to provide those seeking excellent examples, to levy them against what is surely NOT. VS, is acknowledged to be a stellar example of EXCELLENCE in Satanism by this group.
In this example, VS could be levied against a person who does not nurture their relationships at home. There are plenty of 'Satanists' which are abusive for the sake of seeming 'Evil' to the outside world. Venger clearly demonstrates his care and love for his family. Jude Leaven made special note in another thread how much he was impressed with the photo he posted of Briella's Baptism.
So, people can determine for themselves what is a good example and what is a poor example. I.e. making videos calling VS shit, doesn't make him shit. His actions would.
CS
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Post by Pan on Feb 8, 2012 14:01:22 GMT -6
Lord Venger Satanis, I am glad that you and your family is feeling better. Ia Ia Cthulhu Ftagin!! Awake!!
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Post by marth3456 on Feb 8, 2012 14:23:14 GMT -6
Glad to see everyone is alright. We discussed this in my class today about choosing the road of a non-conformist. How no matter who we help no one would say thank you. However i know for me at least i don't need a thank you. That just the though of helping out my fellow man makes it all the thank you i could ever need. Most will see the Cult as a joke but i know that deep down their afraid. They fear what is the unknown and what the darkness holds. Rambling a bit again but to my main point here. Our magical might to me is not just Will but a collection of Will with similar goals and views. We maybe few in number but we are huge in Will. ^(;, ^ <--- if only we could add that into the Smilies list.
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Post by Kai'zen on Feb 9, 2012 1:04:10 GMT -6
I noticed the Excellence group a while back, good to hear VS is being recognised like this.
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Post by sin on Feb 9, 2012 14:30:28 GMT -6
I noticed the Excellence group a while back, good to hear VS is being recognised like this. Sigh...It's now a closed group. The guy who spear-headed it has abandoned it, after some of the members berated him for his clear demonstrations of non-Excellence. So he handed it off to me. The members wanted me to run instead. I don't need another FB group, but I posted a poll. They want it to remain open. [all within a week]
Incidentally I've bridged a gap between the CoC and ONA, it's a more free-style user of the meme. He and I are going to admin it together so I don't have to play baby-sitter.
It's a smaller group, with more members to be added later as the users there 'identify' exemplars of Excellence.
Everyone wants to take the lead, but they don't know how. WE should show them.
CS
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Post by sin on Feb 9, 2012 17:22:02 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Feb 9, 2012 18:24:33 GMT -6
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Feb 9, 2012 20:16:19 GMT -6
Hey CS could you send me a link to the Facebook group 'the way' i haven't been able to find it. Mostly because there is several groups with the same title and several pages of groups to look through.
IA IA Cthulhu Fhtagn!!
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Post by sin on Feb 10, 2012 10:51:11 GMT -6
www.facebook.com/groups/ViridescentTeaching/It's a closed & secret group, if it won't let you view it because of this, just pm me and I'll send you an invite. Finding people by 'screen-name' is a pain.
www.facebook.com/Cultist.CoraSahn
Facebook has integrated a live-chat feature, so that should be fairly decent to use for face time. I've used it twice now and it seems to work fine without all the hiccups of tinychat. I was invited by a member of the Legion of Satan to a 'Black Mass', to review it and offer my advice.
Internet religion is a real thing people. There are many small 'congregations' for the lack of a better term. While I found the 'Mass' in itself horrid, I offered to the organizer that it was admirable for him to offer a service that people obviously want. There were quite a number of the people in chat. Those on camera seemed to be enjoying it, and finding it equally amusing as I did as the recording boomed on with amusing satiricals of the denunciation of Christ.
After it was over, the organizer asked that I offer my feedback (as it was the reason I was there observing). I advised him that it may be better to not only perform his own rituals, but offering some type of involvement of those present. Even if only giving each person a minute or so on the mic to say something; whether personal or for the group. He agreed, and it told be it was basically what they had been using all along. He was an initiate in the organization and this was part of his training. He would be writing his own rituals but found my insights useful (the reason for his request). Those on cam, nodded in agreement, so that it could be more 'all encompassing' and many didn't feel a need to denounce a 'faith' they never really had in the first place.
He asked me if I felt the 'energy' from it. I told him I did not, but that it seemed to have an affect on those on cam as they had their eyes closed, and many were typing things like "Kiss the goat!" and "Hail Satan!" in the chat box. I dipped out, and spoke with him more privately afterwards.
We are a bit at odds with each other at the moment, because he kept asking me to join the 'Mass' each night, and I would decline. He was a bit upset that I didn't want to get involved. I chilled him out, he admitted to being a bit over zealous but it was because he took his religion seriously. I agreed.
Many involved in the Mass were familiar with me in some manner, either by FB, here, paganspace or elsewhere on the web. So many were hoping I could help with writing rituals. I told them that the best rituals were not written, memorized or 'formal' in any manner. That they should just speak from the heart in their words, and find some common ground between them in the activities they would like to see visually. It was a mixed bag of Satanists, anything from Theist to Atheist.
So, that being said...There is a need for this, it would seem.
Perhaps we might lead by example, and record some videos to inspire others. Ritualization isn't really difficult, but new people seem completely at a loss. In my opinion, many miss the theatrics and feeling of the Catholic Church, but obviously reject its doctrines.
The Internet is a stagnant place for people to find their spirituality. It's just text on a screen. My visual presentations give them a bit of life to tap into, I think the Cult can provide them with so much more.
We can speak about this in more depth in a chat format. Some things are better articulated by the spoken word.
CS[/color]
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