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Post by saxo on Sept 8, 2010 10:22:47 GMT -6
So, evrybody who was (or are) my friends here in the forum knows about my conversion to Sunni Islam. Though, why I would still post here? For Lovecraftianism Fan-things only? Not quite exactly. If someone trully are engaged in Islam, it will resembles some paths of the Qu'ran and Sunnah that says that DREAMS have some kinda "portals" to other worlds through Djinns (a general term for Non-angelical beings) can "enter in your mind" and make dreams, send messages, talk, search, warn, scare, etc. So, I never gave up on Dream "Magick". Plus that, Islam have a quite heavy interest on saying how Djinns can manipulate men and (when a Man is fully under control of them) comunicate with the surrouding djinns in therm to use informations of their "Followeds"(Evry Human have a "personal Djinn") and pass that information to their "Followed". So, that would explain how a Tarot-reading Gipsy would know exactly how you like to penetrate your woman and other deep information. In Islam, Djinns have quite power of whispering to Humanity...controling them, using them to do what they want to do. So, past-reading and past divinatory magick are quite real on Islam...but, of course, its a sin for a trully Muslin.
About Possessions: Djinns can possess a person who is not linked with Allah Almighty (Sinful Muslins, Atheists, Non-religious persons) and do whathever they want to do with them...from a simple "Rage" to even self-mutilating. The possessed one still concious, though. He thinks that is he that is doing all this, but, trully, its a Djinn. (No...No green puke on the Sheikh while exorcising!)
About appearences and other Rituals: Who don't remember that classic necromantic ritual? Djinns have a power to manifest themselfes in whatever form they want (since they don't have an exact form) and lie (or not, they can be evocked as spiritual creatures like elementals or even Old Ones) about their true indentity. So, in Islam, necromancy and other evocking rituals are kinda real, but you'll not evocke the true soul of your father.
Since there's a gigant hole in Islamic Knowledge today regarding about the true nature of the Djinns (How they are "born", if they have power over elements, etc.), its really opened for many interpretations and toughts. Yet, it's forbitten and Sinful to have any pact with the Djinns, since they are declared enemies of Humanity itself. I'll post more Qu'ranic quotes and notes if you want. Hope that this post expanded your Knowledge. A Salaam Aleikum P.S: An interesting fact, is that Djinns CANNOT kill a Human directly...so, killing spells are (suposily, seeing that I said, DIRECTLY) unreal in Islam.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 13:48:11 GMT -6
I'll post more Qu'ranic quotes and notes if you want. Hell no, I don't want more. Modify your profile please, I assume you're not an Herald any more. By his loathsome tentacles.
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Post by saxo on Sept 10, 2010 19:31:41 GMT -6
Ok JUNIOR MEMBER If you didnt noticed, my profile STILL a HERALD OF THE OLD GODS. And I posted a pool to people interested in connections and facts, not for ignorant people who is blinded and think that they holds the thruth. Show some respect. I'm quite sure you're new in Lovecraftianism and even Ocultism...if you wasnt, you wouldnt act like a nerdy ignorant fake-ocultist like you're acting.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 11, 2010 21:57:01 GMT -6
Ok JUNIOR MEMBER If you didnt noticed, my profile STILL a HERALD OF THE OLD GODS. And I posted a pool to people interested in connections and facts, not for ignorant people who is blinded and think that they holds the thruth. Show some respect. I'm quite sure you're new in Lovecraftianism and even Ocultism...if you wasnt, you wouldnt act like a nerdy ignorant fake-ocultist like you're acting. Ok, now that was kind of offensive. Not to mention downright rude. Please take a step back in order to re-evaluate your retaliation, cause that's what it is. You came to me, Saxo, wanting "justice". I told you to be cool, and now you try taking matters into your own hands? I'm afraid that's just not on.
Perhaps Yrreiht was dismissive, but that doesn't give you or anyone the right to start name calling or personal attacks. Everyone mellow the fuck out before things go from bad to worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 2:02:30 GMT -6
I know a bit about Islam, I always had been interested by every religion and studied this one as well.
One thing is sure, it is impossible to be muslim and Herald in the same time, so there's something I don't get... I imagined that saxo posted this to tell us good bye, as he's converted to Islam, and tried to convinced some of us to do the same.
saxo, it was not my intention to be dismissive, yes I'm quite new in the CoC, but you seem new to Islam, study it and ask any imam, it's crystal clear that Islam is enemy of Satanism, Magic and Left Hand Path.
Isn't it ?
His ichor cleanses the sin of all mankind.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Sept 12, 2010 5:52:44 GMT -6
having also studied islam and even gone as far as interviewing members at mosques nearby. I feel very certain to say no muslim should be, if they are truly trying to be muslim, hanging with occultists and chin-wagging about magic. ask yourself how many conversations you see here about fan fare(with no satanic, LHP or other occult referance) and then consider how ridiculous it is to stay for that.
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Sept 12, 2010 21:52:14 GMT -6
Having read the High Priests work and having dealt with both fundamentalist and rather laid back Muslims, I'm tending to doubt any coexistence between Islam and the Cult. I dislike Monotheism in general, but Islam I'd star up beside the Roman Catholic Church in nominations for oppression, demands of blind faith, and intolerance for individuality. As I understand it conforming to doctrine and worship of the Jewish/Christian God is pretty far from Awakening.
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Post by saxo on Sept 13, 2010 5:58:07 GMT -6
One thing is sure, it is impossible to be muslim and Herald in the same time, so there's something I don't get... I imagined that saxo posted this to tell us good bye, as he's converted to Islam, and tried to convinced some of us to do the same. If I would do such a thing, I would be going against my own ideology. Please, don't make us muslins looks like Door-to-door Mormons. We're not interested in going to the mob...the mob come to us. Well, saing this looks like that you think that I can't hang arround and have religious and ideological conversations with Jews, Christians, Hindus, Mormons, Buddists, Taoists, Xintoists and another religion than Islam.(I did those conversations with members of all those religions...and it was nicier than this forum is going. Looks like that a huge Fundamentalism engulfed this forum and I jumped on it thinking that the things were the way it were.) And no, I don't think that seeing the other's "ways-of-seeing" is ridiculous. We have to prove ourselves over and over... Well well...seeing at your (you all new members) point of view, If I was Neo-Nazist I couldnt study Zionism and Vice-versa? Am I wrong to try to see other's ideals, even if I don't agree with it? Am I wrong to try to have full knowledge of many ideals as I can? Am I? Damn, am I wrong to don't be a fundamentalist and be all-ears to all the ideals? Other thing: Yes, I have seen plenty of topics regarding things that don't have to do with Satanism (and the topics that have it don't hurt too)...see the Art, Sex, General, Philosophy and Films sub-foruns.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Sept 13, 2010 6:41:48 GMT -6
Great you talked to some people, unfortunately that doesn't actually make or address any point or the apparent issue. the issue being that as a Muslim you should not be even thinking about magic or sorcery. put simply Islam says Satan is just a djinn, you said djins are enemies to humans. we think Satan djinns and adversarial entities are fucking awesome. having a talk with a Christian in relation to philosophy or religion is different to talking with someone who's beliefs have roots in the direct opposition of yours'. this forum is a product of that rebellion, a rebellion which according to Islam is blasphemous. so don't get upset when people don't welcome the idea of Islam based magic.
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Post by saxo on Sept 13, 2010 8:24:19 GMT -6
Great you talked to some people, unfortunately that doesn't actually make or address any point or the apparent issue. the issue being that as a Muslim you should not be even thinking about magic or sorcery. put simply Islam says Satan is just a djinn, you said djins are enemies to humans. we think Satan djinns and adversarial entities are fucking awesome. having a talk with a Christian in relation to philosophy or religion is different to talking with someone who's beliefs have roots in the direct opposition of yours'. this forum is a product of that rebellion, a rebellion which according to Islam is blasphemous. so don't get upset when people don't welcome the idea of Islam based magic. Like I said...Nazist and Zionist. I don't get upset with this...I get upset because of flood. If this little guy don't want to read the connections, don't read it, but don't start crappin arround. And there's not only the LHP in magick.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2010 8:57:20 GMT -6
First command, core belief of any Muslim : There is no God but Allah. saxo, please tell us, you are Herald of what ?
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 13, 2010 10:47:44 GMT -6
Conversion is a lot different than inquiry and discussion, Saxo. You've made it clear to us in the beginning that you consider yourself a Muslim, not just exploring the possibilities of Islamic thought.
In essence, you've pwned yourself.
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Post by saxo on Sept 13, 2010 13:52:55 GMT -6
Conversion is a lot different than inquiry and discussion, Saxo. You've made it clear to us in the beginning that you consider yourself a Muslim, not just exploring the possibilities of Islamic thought. When the hell I said that I am not a muslin? Venger (and all who is reading this topic), did you read all my post? From the beginning to the end? If you did, I'm pretty sure that you have been misunderstanding or something since I have made clear that in Islam most kinds of Magick (Except for the Dream Exploration) are sins BUT POSSIBLE. That was the point of this topic. And when I started a discussion? I don't consider defending my topic a "discussion".
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 13, 2010 14:46:58 GMT -6
This forum is a collection of Discussion Boards... used for discussion. That means everything written here can and should be discussed.
When the stars are right!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by saxo on Sept 13, 2010 15:01:13 GMT -6
Conversion is a lot different than inquiry and discussion, Saxo. So, I didnt understand what you mean with this sentence. Can I discuss poetry, philosophy, films, art and sex? (if someone start saying that the forum is not for that...please, see V.S.'s posts on this topic: cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=sex&thread=3658&page=1If I can post about dating, why not about Lovecraftian Art?) Another and [glow=red,2,300]IMPORTANT[/glow] thing... I now apologise all the people who seemed offended by this topic. Sunni Islam have many holes in much topics, like, Ancient Races, True Nature of Djinns (and even Djinns is a SO WIDE TERM), "The Face of Allah", Yawmideen (The Ultimate Day of Humanity). I was, here, with this topic, trying to fix these holes that have been [glow=red,2,300]KILLING[/glow] my mind these times. So, a member seemed upset and attacked me (or I though it was an attack). Chaos+Attack=Rage (damn norse blood) Rage is one of my personality's problem...Im easy to get upset. So, crap hitted the fan. Things got, as the High Priest said, from bad to worse. Anyway, it was not to be this way, so I apologise. And If I'm not welcome to try, with you guys, to fix these holes, well...then I can't do anything but give up on trying to understand the world.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Sept 13, 2010 18:44:01 GMT -6
Now i think your making sense. It came accross earlier as though you wish to discuss Islamic based magic. which we thought was odd since you've said yourself its a sin(ie. a Muslim wouldn't want to do/ know magick). but I think what you meant, and what i at least didn't get at first, is you wanted to fill the gaps in what is known about them. is this correct? never the less the point remains valid. Muslims shouldn't be looking into magick. there's a reason theres little knowledge on islam based magick because to believe in allah is to consider magic sinful and so you should be distancing yourself from it. further more i can't see you getting very far with this anyway. islam is a very medieval religion hence why the knowledge gaps are so large. but this lack of progression despite being the reason islamic regions are educational wells is core to its beliefs. Islam doesn't want you looking into magic, doesn't want you learning more because it detracts from your worship of allah. If you want to keep being muslim your going to have to come to terms with the fact that it is built around miss-information, brainwashing, and ignorance.
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Post by saxo on Sept 13, 2010 19:18:48 GMT -6
Now i think your making sense. It came accross earlier as though you wish to discuss Islamic based magic. which we thought was odd since you've said yourself its a sin(ie. a Muslim wouldn't want to do/ know magick). but I think what you meant, and what i at least didn't get at first, is you wanted to fill the gaps in what is known about them. is this correct? never the less the point remains valid. Muslims shouldn't be looking into magick. there's a reason theres little knowledge on islam based magick because to believe in allah is to consider magic sinful and so you should be distancing yourself from it. further more i can't see you getting very far with this anyway. islam is a very medieval religion hence why the knowledge gaps are so large. but this lack of progression despite being the reason islamic regions are educational wells is core to its beliefs. Islam doesn't want you looking into magic, doesn't want you learning more because it detracts from your worship of allah. If you want to keep being muslim your going to have to come to terms with the fact that it is built around miss-information, brainwashing, and ignorance. Now you got my point. Well...maybe that's why there is the Suffis.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Sept 14, 2010 0:26:54 GMT -6
We have to prove ourselves over and over... Well well...seeing at your (you all new members) point of view, If I was Neo-Nazist I couldnt study Zionism and Vice-versa? Am I wrong to try to see other's ideals, even if I don't agree with it? Am I wrong to try to have full knowledge of many ideals as I can? Am I? Damn, am I wrong to don't be a fundamentalist and be all-ears to all the ideals? Other thing: Yes, I have seen plenty of topics regarding things that don't have to do with Satanism (and the topics that have it don't hurt too)...see the Art, Sex, General, Philosophy and Films sub-foruns. I didn't see this the first time around. and by didn't see i mean that wasn't there to be seen. I would have commented on such a thing if i had. now there is a chance i missed it, but not likely. yet it does say you've edited that post, today in fact. which is why i call bull-shit. if your going to use underhanded tactics, such as changing what you've sad and then claiming people are in the wrong for not replying to your post in the full you will get a reaction out of me.
when i said i was starting to understand, what i really meant was 'your point is starting to be understandable' ie. your posts are hard to read and poorly put together at best. I remember when you first arrived on this forum which is why i know english isn't your first language and why i never made a big deal about your posts before. i also remember that you new a little more then a four year old on the occult when first arriving here. so i think you'd have some more humility when addressing current new members such as yhhreit. respect is a two way street.
stop referring to post counts as well. like the post count of someone has any relation to what they have to say.
no its not wrong to want to learn about the ideals of others but that's not your trying to do here. what your trying to do is establish connections between Islam and its occult magick side and fill in the gaps. wait where you trying to post Koran quotes or talk about possessions or was it to just talk about Lovecraft. if you had anything real to say I'm sure even you could manage it.
so why not shut the fuck up stop talking down to people and accept that not everyone wants to listen your self defeating crap. if you have something worth reading go for it. but whining and demanding respect for some grand non-accomplishment just makes you look like a tool. ego is a sin... :EDIT: i just read your pm. sorry for going on the assault. ok so you've said that "Now you got my point. Well...maybe that's why there is the Suffis." was not meant to be having a go. which is what i took it as. it does, to me at least, read as arrogance. i feel i might re-mention the potential language barrier. perhaps this, as well as the fact that text doesn't convey intent very well has caused more friction then actual debate. again i apologize for getting stuck in... but arguing on forums is a favorite past time of mine
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Post by saxo on Sept 14, 2010 12:42:33 GMT -6
:EDIT: i just read your pm. sorry for going on the assault. ok so you've said that "Now you got my point. Well...maybe that's why there is the Suffis." was not meant to be having a go. which is what i took it as. it does, to me at least, read as arrogance. i feel i might re-mention the potential language barrier. perhaps this, as well as the fact that text doesn't convey intent very well has caused more friction then actual debate. again i apologize for getting stuck in... but arguing on forums is a favorite past time of mine huashaushuashuas It was mine for a time too brother. Indeed, the language barrier made me look like a child many times, but I have to say that I'm not. When I get angry or excited, I start to write in a chaotic manner...don't matter the language that I'm using. So, when I came in the forum, I looked for just reading and PMs and less replying and discussing in the topics...since I knew that the Language Barrier would be a huge problem. I specially exchanged some PMs with Madgutten, the High Priest and one friend that's not anymore in the forum. When I came back, my english was better, but my temper wasnt. So, as you can see, I can show my point better when Im calm, but when Im excited or angry, You'll never understand exactly what I mean lol That's one of the reasons that I apologised...I saw that many people were attacking me for just simply don't understanding what I mean. [glow=green,2,300]Anyway, if this matters in this point, the original idea of the Topic was to make "connections" of Lovecraftianism and Islam(Dream "Magick" is a "Neutral Term". The Sheikhs don't know an answer if it is sinful or not, because even the Qu'ran says that Dreams hold portals to other worlds. What would allow a Muslin like me, prattice Dream Exploration, interpretation, conversation and others. Understand?); and show how Islam sees magick (Possible, but Sinful).[/glow]Oh, there's one more thing. One member asked me how I can hold the title of Herald of the Old Gods if I do not worship other entity but Allah. Indeed its very contradictory, but I must explain one more thing of my choice of studing Lovecraftianism even if Im muslim. We muslins repeat a setence constantly that says "There is no power and no force Beyond Allah", that's a true that we keep in our heart. But how say that after the Qu'ran says that Allah gave power to the Djinns? That's why I keep looking into some Occult things. See, in the Qu'ran, the Djinns sudenly appear as a powerful race, much older than earth and when Allah ask one Djinn (Iblis) to bowl before Adam(The majority interpretation is that Allah asked him to bowl before the Power of Allah, manifested in Adam), he refuses. So Allah doom Iblis to hell by his arrogance, but before he goes to hell, he asks Allah to give more power to the Djinn's Races and Allah accept it. Now the questions begins...who are the Djinns? What they are cappable of? etc. I indeed believe in the possible existence of races such of Yiths, Shoggoths, Old Ones, Mi-gos, etc. but I don't worship then as gods, just see them as RACES...this would fix some holes and doubts that are tearing up my mind. In modern times, there's 2 only options for muslins concearning about these questions (that are not Allah's fault, but Human Mind's fault, since there's a Quote in Qu'ran that says "Few will have true understanding of Qu'ran's verses"): 1st: Try to create theories and ideas about these matters and live with the fear of being wrong(and depending on Allah's Mercy). 2nd: Live with questions. I choose the 1st, because it fortify my faith and is less bothering.(I choose fear before doubt, since doubt can lead to many traps) So, in my theory, its quite possible the existence of such things like a Race of Yith, Mi-gos, etc. Since the Qu'ran do not make clear for us muslins about the true nature of the ones that came before us. That's it.I hope everything is clear and I wish you apologise me.
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Post by boksmutant on Dec 29, 2010 21:47:11 GMT -6
That was excellent. Azathoth certainly seems to be just the way you describe. He is the beginning, the mindless pure force of entropy(Formless Black Essence). A being not allowed to be conscious do to the epic scale of his cosmic purpose. There are two views of Azathoth I have: #1 A creature of this size would probably not notice a planet like Earth. Its image would be incomprehendable, but could look like the monster tentacled God we imagine. It is raw entropy, with only a desire to break things down. Contact with this being would be extremely difficult. It is a force of nature.
#2 A smaller version of Azathoth would be a being that is a bit more conscious, & a step "below" the Formless BE. The first image that comes to mind are the massive tentacles from HellBoy waving in the sky. This being would move through the Formless BE like a spider on its web. Visiting different sections of the universe & have a little more independence. Contacting this being would be a hell of a lot easier, but still difficult as it is still a lesser force of nature compared to the FBE. This could very well be the Azathoth HPL speaks of.
In christian terms, think of Satan as the prophet of the FBE. He could not have been corrupted with out getting the knowledge of dissent from somewhere else, IE the FBE.
But your findings Shaz'rahjeem are worth an even further break down. I will look into other options & critiques.
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Post by ophiuchus on Jan 1, 2011 17:55:13 GMT -6
I seem to recall a certain Pyramid One where esoteric Christianity was at the same level as LaVeyan Satanism, the 4th Way, and other advanced ways of Awakening. I see no reason why a Muslim couldn't do the same thing. Just like Christians have intelligent people and imbeciles, so do Muslims.
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Jan 1, 2011 20:13:10 GMT -6
Well regardless, back to the topic here! I've read somewhere that there exists a Luciferian Quran. I find this very interesting as I enjoy reading on the views of everything. Especially things that touch my interests, like Luciferianism!
It's not the East or the West side! No it's not! It's not the North or the South side! No it's not! It's the dark side! You are correct!
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Post by demonofdarkness on Feb 4, 2011 14:03:48 GMT -6
Well , Congrats ! You've just been fooled ! Islam is one of the most fucked up religions ever known to humankind , created just to put you in a fear of allah , fear of hell and fear of sin (fear of your own nature as a human) .
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Post by iandiabhal on Mar 16, 2011 9:43:59 GMT -6
Took me a while to work my way through this long and convoluted thread. Um, I have spent many years studying comparative religions - and someone said it - if you are sincerely attempting to convert to Islam, and are following the teachings of the Prophet and his Imams, you wouldn't even be here. You are not a Qu'ranic scholar and are therefore unqualified to speak on matters of sharia, or even make the comparison of Islam to Lovecraftianism, which is quite ludicrous anyway. Quite frankly, in Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Saudi or Iran - they would hang you from a crane or would lop your head right off, after giving you 100 lashes for freely associating with the heretics, unbelievers, apostates and Satan worshippers here - and for blaspheming Islam and the Prophet and the Qu'ran by expressing your obviously religiously uneducated and somewhat ignorant opinions about it. No offense intended - but you are obviously not an Islamic imam, or Qu'ranic scholar. You may express your opinion if you wish however, I don't think you are very serious about this "conversion" to Islam. Sorry, I suppose if you just wanted some attention I suppose you received it. BTW, here is what they do with heretics and apostates in Iran who express Satanic opinions which do not agree with sharia law...pretty damn ugly picture but fact. Attachments:
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Mar 27, 2011 23:12:53 GMT -6
I was always under the impression that Sunni Muslims hated America and that Shi'Ite Muslims were "the good guys"...
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Post by bophametan on Feb 6, 2016 10:59:36 GMT -6
this is a post i made on the forum a couple years ago. its no longer on them any more. it regards to yog-sothoth mainly and explores some correlations between the mythos and other religions, mostly islam. This is an old post so my opinions or ideas have evolved and changed since then. The following is attempt by me to develop some theories on the possibility and plausibility of the Ancient Ones. I have noticed recently that intricate and on occasion highly coincidental relationship between a few of the A:O, history, the middle east and the development of religion in that area. This came about when I was looking into my own green mirror projection and developing a theistic standpoint on what, could be seen. These ideas will primarily focus on Yog-sothoth, he seemed to be prominent in the research as the highest deity. I know many people have their preferences in prime god, but based on the mythos, relations between history and religions, and the potential lying within the content of many Mythos related texts and ideas I left it at that. I would also like to point out that I am not trying to prove real, the stories of H.P. Lovecraft or the existence of any of the characters. I am merely taking the central content and building on it. The information I have gathered is pretty easily found, and the quotes are probably recognisable to the more attentive.
It came to my attention that the mythos and the more recognised beings within it are centred on the Middle East. This is obvious to most, specifically in name and reference. For example ‘thoth’ is found in the name Yog-sothoth and Azathoth, as well as ‘hotep’ is found in Nyarlathotep. Thoth is an Ancient Egyptian god, and ‘hotep’ is a suffix added to some names occasionally in Ancient Egyptian. However there are many more references and links between the mythos and this geographical area. Abdul Alhazred, is obviously Middle Eastern, he is also noted for worshipping Yog-sothoth. Yog-sothoth is also said to have a worldwide cult centred in Arabia. All so there is the term “yaji ash-shuthath,” meaning, “there is no peace at the gates” in Arabic. We know that there isn’t a worldwide cult of Yog-sothoth in Arabia, at least not anymore. However the Arabic language is very possibly linked to the old ones. Muslims exclaim that the older forms of Arabic are a pure and sacred language. I have been learning Arabic and its sounds and form is very similar to the words of various R’lyehian quotes. In my opinion it would not be a difficult stretch to trick someone it saying they are they are same. I would like to clarify there is no proof of R’lyehian speeches origin being anything more than the authors imagination.
Islam which is the prominent religion of that area today took shape after Muhammad received instruction from Gabriel to write the Koran and form Islam. In my opinion the Koran is the most plausible out of the all the books that are supposedly dedicated to god of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The Koran is basically the exact law of Allah, which is sent to reinstate previous scriptures, and to mend the wrongful manipulation of some, to soot the person’s in charges needs at the time. In more detail the Koran readily allows for the evolution theory, extraterrestrials, and the big bang. I would like to prove the strength of the Koran, because it will help the points later.
First off the evolution theory, which by the bible and torahs standard is pretty much impossible, without seriously compromising the faith. However the Koran does not have such a restrictive and chronological layout for these events. When Allah created the universe he said “be” and then an event which basically is the big bang happened. Islam also says the universe constantly expanding. Then as everything was created or came into being, it all trickled down from there. Unlike the bible which states that God created the world in even days. The Koran doesn’t set it out like that and seeing as Allah is not bound by time because as he created time, a day to him could be millennia in our time. Also there are detailed and very accurate references to child development in the womb, including the recognition of sperm to be the source of impregnation, and the complex development that go on within the womb during the term.
“These facts about human development could not have been known to Muhammad in the seventh century because most of them were not discovered until the twentieth century.” – Keith L. Moore, The Koran and modern science: Correlation Studies, 1990.
The Koran also allows for extraterrestrials. (I had a quote from the Koran for this, but I can’t find it, sorry)
Islam acknowledges that Allah communicates to his prophets through dreams, and prayer like meditation. He also used his angels as mediators or messengers to communicate with us. This is similar to the idea that the Ancient Ones implanted religion into humans through dreams, establishing cults, religions etc. Taking that the older scripts were manipulated and tampered with, as is fact with the newest of versions of the. And that most of the prophets received their visions in vague fashion the interpretation of them is basically wide open to the individual. Considering that the area in which the mythos is primarily based, Africa, Central Asia and to a lesser extent Europe, and the rise of monotheism in that area the relevance of Yog-sothoth being All-in-One could be forefront.
There are countless examples of Yog-sothoth’s power, and his all seeing qualities throughout the mythos. “All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self – not merely a thing of one space-time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole” “Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-sothoth” “Coterminous with all time and space” Yog-sothoth is very similar to the concept of god within Islam. His being permeates through everything. What I’m trying to get is that Yog-sothoth, and the old ones might have been active within that area during humanities development, and the lesser gods manipulated his ends. Islam says that god has instilled in all of a fitra, which guides us to what is morally right. What I’m saying is this fitra is the control the lesser gods place over us. That this is what places us under the instant restriction of human morals, suppressing us into obedient slaves. The power displayed by god in the Holy books, and in various time throughout the world could be the A:O, and then the Lesser Gods blind us into their lies, leaving us as sleeping servitors.
Yog-sothoth is said to have many archetypes, that he is the archetype of all great wizards, thinkers and artists. His most powerful form is trapped outside of our dimensions, but he can manifest physically in some forms. “And Yog-sothoth chanted when in his lesser form. His pallid yellow robes given to him by the servitors of Hastur” “With dagger and wand, the Old One drew back blood and ichor. Unrelenting were his actions, and deranged was his misshapen, many eyed visage” In this sense he can physically take form in this dimension, when he chooses. I also maintain that he is in alliance with humanity, and favours us when the opportunity arises. He is a co creator of Cthulhu along with Nagoob. Yog-sothoth is the gate and the key that allowed the other A:O to enter our existence, who upon arrival went to earth and defeated the Star Shaped old ones. The star shaped old ones at that time used humanity as toys and as a food source. Also the star shaped old ones feared to go beyond ‘the mountains of madness’ because a being similar to Yog-sothoth is there. This could be Yog-sothoth himself however it could also refer to Cthulhu who is similar in goal. The goal of the old ones is said to be to take earth and move it back to some other phase of existence or place from which it had once fallen. This could be in relation to the big band, after which everything separated and spread out. This is plausible since that in relation to Islamic teaching explains how god will one day bring everything back, and remove everything like a table cloth from a table. This ties back to the concept that the A:O interacted with early humans, and the lesser gods, which ‘could’ (it’s a big stretch)be the star shaped old ones fucked it up. The reason I say the star shaped old ones could be the lesser gods, or at least in alliance with them is that they were the manipulative evolvers of human life according to the Mythos. The conflict between the A:O and the Lesser gods is reinforced throughout the mythos.
This bring me to Nyarlathotep, who is suppose to serve the A:O as an avatar on earth, however chooses to folly, and on occasion torment them. Furthermore he is recognised as having a relationship with the star shaped old ones. “Yog-sothoth, save me” Was written by Robert Blake after he saw Nyarlathotep approaching. Which links back to the concept that Yog-sothoth wants to help humans or at least that we can turn to him for help.
I would like to touch on Azathoth for a bit as well. He is said to be a creator god as well, like Yog-sothoth. However he is also attributed as having no conscious. “Allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole” –about Yog-sothoth This could refer to his relationship with Azathoth; it could be something like a Shakti and Shiva relationship from Hinduism. One is absolute knowledge, the other is absolute power together they become the creating force of everything. However they are never spoken of in these terms, nor is there anything to back this up, also Yog-sothoth is usually recognised separately from Azathoth. I look at it that Azathoth IS The Formless black essence or at least the source. He is the centre of the essences origin, which flows from him linking all the A:O together. It has no will, but it’s there, to bind everything together on an astral level, like Qi, or Pranic Energy.
Going back to the ultimate goal of the A:O it is said to be to bring earth back to a level of existence from which it fell. I think this could refer to the concept of the stars being right, and also why earth was chosen to be such a centre of activity. “The Key to the gate, whereby the spheres meet” This is in reference to Yog-sothoth of course. This could refer to Earth (a sphere) meeting with the stars/ planets etc. This could be in a pattern, in which the stars are right, or could refer to the whole dimension crumbling back together, like the end day in the Koran.
I hope this makes sense to some people. The research isn’t complete but there’s no reason not to persist with what I feel is a new and possibly unifying theory for how we, the Cult of Cthulhu, fit in with other religion and how the Mythos could plausibly be in actuality. There’s no reason why this can’t fit, as far as I see. The Koran says that Muhammad will be the last profit spoken to by Allah, which is a nice little way to stop anyone else from having a chance at looking out into the cosmos to see what could wait beyond. In my opinion the only real difference between the profits of these religions is they outwardly said that they are forming a religion on their visions, or building on an existing one. All they have done is go into meditative state or deep prayer or draw from dreams, which isn’t really that different from what H.P. Lovecraft did, or what VS speaks of doing when he comes up with the 9 angles, or Kort’thsalis. You said that it was there, and you were called to it. Like I said there is more research to be done, and please if you have valid contradicting information please contact me. I got my info. from, Wikipedia, Cthulhu Cult, This forum, The Koran, Guide to understanding Islam, the books written by Lovecraft.
What do you think?
Awake!! It turns that ALLAH equals AZATHOTH!
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Post by bafometan on Feb 6, 2016 11:11:21 GMT -6
In this period of history, the Antichrist is manifested through the Phenomenon of Islam, which denies the mystery of the Divine Trinity and the divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. Our Supreme Allah Azathoth is called Antichrist by xians.
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