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Post by nyrlthtp on Nov 4, 2010 15:24:46 GMT -6
Hail Satan, High Priest Venger As'Nas Satanis! ... Brother Talek ...was {likely} referring to my assertions that I have an unholy mission, an eldritch mandate, and belief that I am the one to whom the Great Old Ones speak and through me they communicate to the world. ... nifty, i have no problem with that. I think that, along with the Ipsissimus thing, i underscored my support for such activities. I am the Sorcerer Supreme of this dimension and i am happy to coordinate with you in this regard. I congratulate you on the selection of 1/1/11 for this Ascension and think it is inspired. instead, my confusion pertains to what the former Priests of R'lyeh had agreed with in relation to their faith in you, their belief in you, and especially at the time of their acceptance of their awarded offices/titles. I wasn't there, so i have no idea. I got the impression that undying faith in you or your authority was not a part of that and that you were attempting to install this after they'd joined up. I can see what you are aiming to do here, i think. that is correct, and for the record i neither understood nor considered the commitment involved, because my extant position as one of the leading independent Satanists today makes it impossible for me to even consider, given the size of the CoC that you have indicated it has grown to. that's why i am now asking about the commitment that the Priests of R'lyeh had indicated to you they accepted, whether this was ramped up underneath them after the fact or if they somehow failed in following through on agreements that they had already made, in your view. my only other remaining question after this explanatory post of yours, for which i am grateful, is whether you feel that your quick action taken against your subordinates in response to your perceptions resembled, in your eyes, the quick action which they took against their subordinates previously, for which you reprimanded them. I hope that you see that i have regarded what you specified as guidelines as rules, consider discipline to be a serious matter, and try to understand all points of the circle of debate. I have learned much here as regards your methods and priorities (seeing the stratification of authority being solidified and emphasized, and understand its need generally) and wish to be sure i have a firm handle on what is going down. if you would elaborate on this i would really appreciate it. it was this gut feeling that i did not follow, could not feel, and yet i can imagine to what you might be referring. are you talking about the 'triumverate' wherein faith, reason and a bridge were being brought to bear, and you saw that reason was being escalated beyond its proper bounds, and with insufficient communication as to this interest so as to retain proper emphasis on the cult's parameters? if so, i can at least understand what you were concerned about. thank you for your communication and your patience.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 4, 2010 15:57:43 GMT -6
Let me assure you that in the first 9 months of T.C.'s involvement with the CoC, I felt he had my back like no other. He championed my words and deeds. He praised and encouraged me. He claimed over and over again that I was his High Priest and whatever I needed, whenever I needed it would be seen to by him. Because of his consistently stated support, I never had cause to question him.
Jason Sorrell was another matter. T.C. was almost always the buffer between him and myself - especially during the last 3 months. But on the forum and on videos, Jason seemed to also have my full support. His devotion was not at the level of T.C.'s, but he assured me early on that he would do whatever was necessary to aid me and our cause.
The only person to ever balk at my assumptions regarding my own purpose and self-declared divinity was Jason King.
Besides what has been written and privately discussed, I can't be sure of what the former Priests of R'lyeh believed their role was, what commitments were involved. Perhaps that was a failing of mine?
What makes it different in my mind is this: I gave them ample time and space to clarify their views and how they differed with my views. I posted and waited, I called T.C., I texted T.C., and I posted again in hopes of getting to the bottom of things. All I got for my trouble was ridicule thinly disguised.
When Jason warned Alba Kalool he did it swiftly, privately, and harshly. I might have been harsh, but not as swift nor as private.
What you mention of the triumvirate has merit, but no, that's not it. The change in tone and demeanor regarding Jason and T.C. was my guide. How they, especially T.C., interacted with me over the last couple months in general and the last couple weeks in specific, was such an about-face that I could scarcely believe it. Something was different in the air, like a sudden drop in temperature. Yes, my relationship had definitely chilled significantly and substantially. That along with other small signs which I've already noted earlier in this thread created a gut feeling that I was in for trouble concerning the R'lyehian Priests.
My pleasure. Be fair with me and I'll be fair in return. I believe in reciprocity.
How long, Dread Lord, unholy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by raygunnz171 on Nov 4, 2010 20:22:54 GMT -6
There's always that small chance that I made a mistake. But if so, then where was the running stuff past me beforehand, the keeping in touch, the planning, the cooperation, the teamwork? Where was the brotherhood? How come there wasn't so much as an email or phone call from either R'lyehian Priest after they realized I was disturbed by the whole situation?
During our text conversation this morning, T.C., I told you that this went beyond friendship, "this is the fate of the world and your very soul." And you scoffed with derision. When I asked if you had lost the faith, you said that I was scaring you. As if you hadn't believed in the Cthulhu Cult, our paradigm, or in me at all. Had never truly believed! There was precious little reassurance in those texts. It's almost like you were too afraid to come out and tell me what you really thought, what you really wanted to do. So instead, you blew me off like a smug adolescent who has grown too old and too wise for his Father.
The last couple months especially, you changed. No longer desirous of being the wand in my hand, you already had one foot out the door. I brought the subject up many times, and instead you decided to blame the "ignorant and lazy" forum members.T.C., do you remember the first thing you told me about Jason Sorrell when you wanted to recruit him for the CoC? You told me that we should feed his ego because at his core, Jason was an ego-maniac... he would eat up the power, attention, and flattering title. I went along with it because Jason was a smart, talented, well-spoken guy and your friend. Guess down deep, you were more than right about him.
Whatever role I play in our religion comes not from ego, but from the need to preserve the antediluvian fragments of gnostic Devil-lore which mankind is too fragile and forgetful to command. That is my lot in life, my duty, my cross to bear. If I wanted an easier life, more money, or control over people's lives, there are far better ways to go about it. No, I want to change the world starting with myself. That is why I am the founder and leader of this religion.You might remember our conversation a couple weeks ago. The one where I mentioned that I was taking the degree of Ipsissimus while allowing you and Jason to take over as High Priests! Remember that? Why would I have reluctantly told you of my future plans, offering both of you unparalleled power and responsibility in 2011 only to cut you off at the knees a fortnight later? Because I somehow felt threatened?!?
I had fervently hoped that you would not go down this path, but since you have, my tentacles are tied. I ex-communicate you T.C. Downey. As heartbreaking as this has been for me, I shall carry on just as I did before you entered our emerald fold.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Lord Satanis im shocked with what ive heard about egodiablos but i want you to know that even though im new in the CoC you have my loyalty and my word as a Marine ROTC Colonel i promise to serve you in any means. Ia ia Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 4, 2010 21:07:45 GMT -6
I think I've seen enough here. Out of respect, I won't be posting what I really think about the majority of the content in this thread. Per my introductory post, I have given what I can to the CoC and received enough to be satisfied. To this end, I have decided not to post here anymore. I might visit to see how things are going, but I won't likely post anymore. One more thought: Whether or not Jason King's statements are inflammatory, one would be wise not to completely disregard everything he says. There's a very good reason he and High Priest Satanis consider each other brothers manifesting their Will. Fellow travelers, I continue on my journey. It was good to have you here. Good luck on your journey!
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by lucofthelight on Nov 5, 2010 4:12:21 GMT -6
Master Satanis and fellow Cultists,
After much thought and honest introspection I have come to the decision to stand down from my ascended title of Wizard of the Terrible Darkness.
After the recent ill-fated turn of events within the hierarchy I have had trouble reconciling my conflicting feelings and loyalties to those involved.
It is because I have high respect for all the parties involved that I choose to relinquish my title.
This isn't a sign of disrespect by any means to Master Satanis. I realize your job is a difficult one and your authoritative decision towards T.C and Jason is what you thought was right at the time, based on the factors you have explained. This is your house you have built and you shall do as you see fit. I understand this. As much as the outcome may not sit well for me, I'm sure even more so for you, it is an undesired result.
I personally think it would have been worked out amiably in a more private manner before such drastic action and responses took place. But that's the beauty of hindsight. Things have changed, the triumvirate style of leadership I encountered and appreciated when I first started here has dissolved. These things happen. By my observations, I personally viewed the Heretics of Cthulhu grotto as a necessary counterbalance to the seemingly growing theistic aspect of the COC. This is not a critique, just an observation.
My decision was also weighed with the fact that I have an ongoing music/artwork collaborative project with Jason Sorrell. This means a great deal to me. I don't want to be in a position within the leadership at the CoC now or in the future where I will have to choose sides, because as I have stated I respect ALL those involved. I feel this is the most honorable decision I can come to for myself and for everyone involved. I'm just laying my cards on the table.
The CoC for me has been an unprecedented time in my personal development and I thank High Priest Satanis for his excellent guidance and generosity as I also thank T.C and Jason and my fellow Cultist's for their guidance and support. I have learned much here on this forum and have hopefully contributed something of value for others.
If permitted, I would like to remain a member.
These events haven't changed my respect for the emerald paradigm. I just have the need to step back for a bit.
Sincerely,
K'ara Kaiul
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Jason King
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Post by Jason King on Nov 5, 2010 5:33:18 GMT -6
Within this thread, I'm allowing a bit more leniency when it comes to arguing, disputes, disrespect, and negative emotions. This might just be the Cult's darkest hour. I'd like to see slack cut. However, Jason King, while I value you and your wisdom, you are also not above the new guidelines and rules of this forum. This is an official warning to you, JK. You have badmouthed, insulted, name called, and belittled several people on this forum with flagrant contempt for me and the CoC as a whole. You too had an opportunity to work with me. What can I say to you at this point, man? Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way? I don't want to be a dictator or tyrant, but I won't allow disorder to destroy our unity or our highest aspirations! This is your problem, Venger, you live in a dream world. I'm one of those rare individuals you meet who calls it to your face rather than playing it behind your back. Think about it. To say that I have "flagrant contempt for" you is to miss everything I've ever said about you and to you. But you would be correct to say that I have a contempt of all that which seeks to impose order from without, including much of the mechanism of the CoC.
I mean just look at yourself, dude. "On January 1st 2011, I will ascend as Ipsissimus of the Cthulhu Cult." It seems as though you collect titles like they were stamps, but none of them signify anything. If you actually understood the term "ipsissimus," you would realize how doubly silly the above quote sounds. But hey, when you need something to soothe that inferiority complex, there's nothing that hits the spot like a **new-and-improved** messiah complex.
I also know the worth of Jason and T.C.; nevertheless, you don't repeatedly fuck with the leader. Especially one who has your best interests at heart. I still have no proof that one or both of the former Priests of R'lyeh weren't planning to depose me or worse... to pervert the CoC into something like a contemporary Church of Satan (God help us all). My gut feeling told me that betrayal was afoot. All I have now is an admission of incongruancy, which in itself, is reason enough to find a replacement for those who cannot abide our conscious direction. Love the plural of majesty, it suits you.
Bottom line, you were wrong about both TC and Jason. They weren't trying to "take over," "depose you," or anything else so silly. The idea they had was explained to you well in advance. And you were on board . . . at least until that nagging inferiority complex kicked into high gear. Perhaps you should have "ascended to ipsissimus" at that point instead of putting it off for two months.
Bottom line #2, you lost two irreplacable lieutenants due entirely to your own psychological issues. Don't preach to me about being "awake," you haven't got a clue. And when you're dealing with the 1th percentile, accept honest disagreement for what it is, otherwise you will fail to create anything other than an RHP group with LHP trappings, as I've said to you before. The only person to ever balk at my assumptions regarding my own purpose and self-declared divinity was Jason King. And I will continue to do so. Like I said in my review of A:O, the above reads perfectly as a parody, but you mean it in all seriousness. Sad, man.
At one point, I was of the opinion that you were "wearing a costume" when you do all of this silly messiah shit, but now I know you mean it. Mark my words, brother, your present course destines you for everlasting mediocrity. The only minds who will take you seriously will be the weakest of the lot. You wanna be a shepherd? Well then, have at the sheep, hoss.
Jason King(laying down the Impsissimus Smack)
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 5, 2010 10:43:41 GMT -6
Master Satanis and fellow Cultists, After much thought and honest introspection I have come to the decision to stand down from my ascended title of Wizard of the Terrible Darkness. After the recent ill-fated turn of events within the hierarchy I have had trouble reconciling my conflicting feelings and loyalties to those involved. It is because I have high respect for all the parties involved that I choose to relinquish my title. This isn't a sign of disrespect by any means to Master Satanis. I realize your job is a difficult one and your authoritative decision towards T.C and Jason is what you thought was right at the time, based on the factors you have explained. This is your house you have built and you shall do as you see fit. I understand this. As much as the outcome may not sit well for me, I'm sure even more so for you, it is an undesired result. I personally think it would have been worked out amiably in a more private manner before such drastic action and responses took place. But that's the beauty of hindsight. Things have changed, the triumvirate style of leadership I encountered and appreciated when I first started here has dissolved. These things happen. By my observations, I personally viewed the Heretics of Cthulhu grotto as a necessary counterbalance to the seemingly growing theistic aspect of the COC. This is not a critique, just an observation. My decision was also weighed with the fact that I have an ongoing music/artwork collaborative project with Jason Sorrell. This means a great deal to me. I don't want to be in a position within the leadership at the CoC now or in the future where I will have to choose sides, because as I have stated I respect ALL those involved. I feel this is the most honorable decision I can come to for myself and for everyone involved. I'm just laying my cards on the table. The CoC for me has been an unprecedented time in my personal development and I thank High Priest Satanis for his excellent guidance and generosity as I also thank T.C and Jason and my fellow Cultist's for their guidance and support. I have learned much here on this forum and have hopefully contributed something of value for others. If permitted, I would like to remain a member. These events haven't changed my respect for the emerald paradigm. I just have the need to step back for a bit. Sincerely, K'ara Kaiul No problem, I understand. Hope you keep reading Creating a Soul, brother. Great things will surely come from your understanding of that tome.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 5, 2010 11:56:32 GMT -6
Oh my God, finally you get it! Let the Crawling One's undulating tentacles flow down the mountain like a black stream of spiritual filth, Jason King has at last gotten it! I came out of the messiah closet years ago, brother. And now, at long motherfucking last, you get me. I'm just happy for that alone. Seriously, how many times do I have to come right out and say that I'm the chosen one? One hundred and eleven? I don't have an inferiority complex. If anything, I have a superiority complex. Guess that would make me a megalomaniac, something I've claimed to be since childhood. Dream worlds are subjective, but not all are created equal. Perhaps it's only my belief which makes it so? Nevertheless, it is the way it is... as I will it to be.
The Cult of Cthulhu is my religion. I belong to it, just as many others belong to it. This is who we are, JK... what we were called to do. Everything is proceeding just as I had foreseen. The uniqueness of any particular design always startles me when I first see it, but after the initial shock I see that things could not be any other way.
There's always a reason to quit, to stop fighting, to give up. Why? Because that shit is so easy to do. Hey, sometimes I feel like throwing in the towel too. But I don't. I believe in myself and what we're doing here. Those who wish to stay, join, or re-join our religion will have the chance to realize true power. If you can get that all on your own, then have at it, hoss. Go to town. And when it's over, when it's all said and done... maybe I'll see you in Hell.
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by nyrlthtp on Nov 5, 2010 15:25:49 GMT -6
as is often the case, i find a great deal of substance upon which to comment in the posts by you, O King, and i want to make it clear that while i may disagree with your expression at points in the post below, the reason that i give you the time of day is because i like you so much, appreciate your incisive criticisms and the diverse resource of your expression. I don't want to be misperceived as disliking you, when most of those in the LHP i ignore as not worth my time, while attending to your expression, and this says much about how i do in fact value you. this exchange makes it possible to come to greater disclosure, initiation, and revelation of a personal and social character. I'm going to wax lengthily here because the two perspectives brought to bear, one by The King/Beast/Ego, and one by Master Satanis, are coming into sharp contrast here and as i see both sides of it, i will remark upon them for the advantage of cultists and their observers. Within this thread, I'm allowing a bit more leniency when it comes to ...negative emotions. This might just be the Cult's darkest hour. this is the BRIGHTEST hour of the CoC, because frank discussion is coming to light, clear and coherent expression is being considered in a serious and important way that was ignored before to avoid controversy. too often the symptomatic problems of religions are apparent, but their underlying causes in social and personal limitations and dynamics are routinely reproduced in novel cults whose innovators and adherents are ignorant of sociology and psychology. 'reinventing the wheel' (of religion) may seem to reflect high ideals, avoiding the issues of conventional religious systems, but the execution is usually flawed by a lack of study, investigation, and experience, and too often reproduces all the problems it idealistically set out to replace. You {JK} have badmouthed, insulted, name called, and belittled several people on this forum with flagrant contempt for me and the CoC as a whole. ... This is your problem, Venger, you live in a dream world. I'm one of those rare individuals you meet who calls it to your face rather than playing it behind your back. you're not alone, King. those who have no connection to the CoC or who have limited contact yet strong interaction with those leading it (e.g. some of those within the Modern Church of Satan such as dan_dread or ceytin, or those such as i or you who engage Venger and others within the cult for our purposes, because we care enough to do so) have explained the limitations that we have in coming to believe the ideology advanced by Venger and his cult. admirably, T.C. Downey and Jason Sorrell sought to overcome their severe and understandably dubious response to the faith-based approach Master Satanis was bringing to the table in pursuit of participating in a social mechanism of mystical inspiration that they could evaluate at one time as laudatory. where i will differ and may form a part of the 'bridge' which was previously mentioned, is that i am a mystic, have penetrated sufficiently into conventional texts and society so as to understand the dynamics and mechanisms functioning for those who engage what i would call RHP constructs, and in a respectful manner, rather than merely dissing and disputing their developmental relevance, such that i can mediate disputes from those at the poles. I have attempted within this and other contexts to lay out what i regard as a worthwhile yogic characterization of the entire field, and will only do so enough times so as feel that my assertions should be apparent, regardless of whether 'either side' of the positions between which i intervene may happen to agree with its mapping qualities. asserting that a bhaktic religious 'lives in a dream world' is important when that religious is taking the imaginative, symbolic ideology engaged by the cultists and embracing it without critical scrutiny as a literal fact. this is especially true when there are no apparent indicators to the contrary in terms of spiritual (emotional, intuitive) development which might support its efficacious employment, or where there are too many negative indicators (as with displays of psychological and social immaturity while attempting to prop oneself up on stilts of adeptship -- compare the art of Dali). it becomes overbearing and distracting to engage such criticism at length, especially as part of an undermining advocation against the principles and practices of advance proclamation, which is an occult and mystical phenomena of personal puffing with interest in developing internally to the initially claimed personal (/social) territory. as long as there is actually discipline and diligence in followup, and the growth for which this was a preparation actually occurs, then real qualities may manifest as part of an after-effect of this 'dream world' that make it worthwhile. criticizing the entirety of the technique without this in mind may become counter-productive and effectively strike against the foundation of the LHP as i understand it (more on this below). To say that I have "flagrant contempt for" you is to miss everything I've ever said about you and to you. But you would be correct to say that I have a contempt of all that which seeks to impose order from without, including much of the mechanism of the CoC. it is contempt to which both High Priest Satanis and i have a very negative response, and i don't think that this is contempt-for-contempt, as might be perceived, but an opposition to acidic arrogance. that may seem very strange to you O King, considering that your contempt is itself in response to perceived arrogance, but the opposition to which i am pointing as more admirable is of a measured and composed character, and is importantly different than disdainful and mocking assault upon that which i, at least, am not yet convinced that the three of you (you/Beast/Ego) completely understand. let me be very clear here that i am not disagreeing with your contention that Master Satanis is over-extending his cosmic and social importance. nor am i disagreeing with your characterization or arguments regarding some of the problems you seem to be pointing out. I don't even think that Venger is disagreeing with this (he is humble in many ways). but contempt brings to the social interaction a haughty severity and arrogantly acid tone which some of the worst exponents of atheism and humanism display (e.g. Dawkins, Randi, et al), completely disrupting social integrity and not conducive to an enduring civil exchange from which the rational might benefit. your comments about imposing order from without strike me as misplaced, because the order of the CoC is constructed with the intention of leveraging results, and only when such a construction is introduced without warning and surreptitiously (difficult for me to determine if this is occurring, it might be), after the fact of involvement, is it really in conformance to 'being imposed from without'. I personally associate this with The Work and with RHP constructions, and further think that its combination with Satanism is liable to be extremely difficult to achieve due to the severe differences of modality employed by groups against individuals, and i have commented to this effect here and elsewhere, but i can admire the attempt to make a go of it. ...It seems as though you collect titles like they were stamps, but none of them signify anything. you, Beast and Ego are an interesting mix and i like the three of you, and Venger a good deal. it is conventional to suppose and expect, even within the Satanian subculture, that titles or ornate names will signify something to those who read them. I maintain that this is a RHP interpretation of the phenomenon of naming. to expect that all titular application is somehow social and earned is to subsume the individual and ego to the dictates of the Herd. you are correct to note the severe contrast between the social application of these titles and the behaviour of those who sport them, and additionally acute, as if often your scintillation, in pointing out the repeated derivative and appropriative quality of an individual's activities (in this case Venger's). yet you all seem to be missing the hit-and-miss character of the personal dynamic of ego-expansion for purpose of self-development. few even in the LHP subculture understand this mechanism and activity, and it is extremely easy to criticize it for not displaying social utility or deriving its basis from extant Herds (a RHP criticism in fact that lacks staying power in the LHP). If you actually understood the term "ipsissimus," you would realize how doubly silly the above quote sounds. But hey, when you need something to soothe that inferiority complex, there's nothing that hits the spot like a **new-and-improved** messiah complex. I would like to analyze the usual RHP focus and exploitational assault on the individual in response to this. typically the first volley aims at the lack of a social (group) basis for authority and power. I have commented at some length regarding that above. during the last century at least, with the rise of the psychological establishment, the second volley typically proceeds against the integrity and soundness of the LHP leader in question, describing their activities as displaying of conventional psychological maladies. while these may be in fact be operating, the tendency to do this in public venues (as compared to a clinical session) can only be described as malicious and unfounded, misguided and erosive of LHP virtues. smearing ego-expansive methodologies as delusions of grandeur is the true crime of RHP advocates, because they do not distinguish between the utility of setting up a cognitive Tent in preparation for the laying of a foundation and the construction of something under its protection. instead of looking for symptoms of these complexes beyond this methodology, such as an unreasonable expectation that those outside the project should accept the august authority of the facile symbolic aggrandizement, you lambaste it all with "complex" slams. I of course agree that such complexes exist in some individuals, and that the methodologies have been socially misused, but when mystical contexts are laid down and someone does not take this expectation to unreasonable quarters, the criticism is not justified. ...you were wrong about both TC and Jason. They weren't trying to "take over," "depose you," or anything else so silly. The idea they had was explained to you well in advance. And you were on board . . . at least until that nagging inferiority complex kicked into high gear. ... you lost two irreplaceable lieutenants due entirely to your own psychological issues. there is insufficient discernment being made here between the 'stage' of the cult's boards and what should be the more straightforward private communications amongst the priesthood. I gather that this lack of discernment is in part a result of insufficient familiarity with religion and esoteric dynamics, though i cannot of course know how extensive the problem really is, except for as it is reflected to me by Master Satanis and Beast as i continue to interact with them here and elsewhere. the fact that you don't mention it, King, in your criticisms, is perhaps also telling. if you have an interest in getting a different perspective on the situation i think it is well explained in this thread above, and may be seen moreso as a lack of informed and mature communication, followed by an over-reaction. you merely assert that the (over-)reaction was wholly unnecessary. apparently this means that you dispute the expressions of the High Priest as lies, or complete misperceptions on his part. I can attest to the obvious indications by expression from Beast and Ego as to the lack of familiarity with bhaktic religious constructs (many anti-Christians have this bias), and the problem which Venger may have envisioned having with those who were positioning themselves as antagonistic to such religious principles/methods. to do so within a religious conclave is tantamount to preparing for hiving, dividing into irremediably separate cells, initiating denominations from which there is no alternative recourse but social division. you don't seem to understand this, and further, i think you too often take the conversation into personal evaluative realms which disclose moreso your biases and problems than they do those whom you may be criticizing (Venger is no exception here). ...otherwise you will fail to create anything other than an RHP group with LHP trappings, as I've said to you before. as seems too common for my taste within the LHP subculture (so called), you join with others from Crowley, LaVey, Aquino, Flowers, to others, in proclaiming what i regard as the untenable position that "LHP groups" are in any sense sustainable. that you portray yourself as knowledgeable about (at least Tibetan) Tantric sources makes this contention all the more problematic for my dispute with it, because it means that the use of the phrase 'LHP' has, as i see it, been perhaps hopelessly maligned out of recognizability for its utility as deriving from essentially transgressive, antinomian, individualistic standards and portrayed as something subsumable to orchestrated social venues. I think this is groundless, repeatedly will dispute it as unfounded, and with so many others of my ilk, will regard 'Thelemic organization' and 'Satanic organization' and 'LHP organization' ALL as oxymorons. this is not a criticism of you, please understand, but a contention based on my relationship to my Neo-Tantric God, my own experience with these subcultures, and studies therefrom. I aim it to be a respectful disagreement with increasing clarity and stridency, mostly due to the deep regard which i hold for the whole, yourself included. The only person to ever balk at my assumptions regarding my own purpose and self-declared divinity was Jason King. I'm sorry to hear that, Master Satanis. this means that you are either not paying attention to those who may offer criticism of hyper-extended religious mechanisms, or you are only unclearly referring to a subset such as within this board. surely you know you have received severe and heated dispute (at times immature and acid, i know, but it was dispute all the same) from some within the MCoS boards, and i have tried to make my contentions here extraordinarily clear as regards what weight i am capable of lending them. I will allow this post to emphasize how very much i appreciate and find value in The King's skepticism and critical comment, even while i oppose his contempt. And I will continue to do so. Like I said in my review of {Liber} A:O, the above reads perfectly as a parody, but you mean it in all seriousness. Sad, man. At one point, I was of the opinion that you were "wearing a costume" when you do all of this silly messiah shit, but now I know you mean it. what i find more sad is that so many within LHP spiritual contexts cannot see beyond the dualism inherent in the above criticism. either it's a parody costume done for humor, or it is delusional to self and/or others, with no possibility of utility beyond this. important note: i cannot at such distance ascertain and with so little information thusfar obtained determine if either of these stipulated dualistic conditions obtain where the CoC is concerned, but i don't think that myopic assessments are of any help to anyone, and disdaining what i identify as conventional LHP methodologies only serves to erode your own. Mark my words, brother, your present course destines you for everlasting mediocrity. The only minds who will take you seriously will be the weakest of the lot. You wanna be a shepherd? Well then, have at the sheep, hoss. here we have all the fear-words of the LHP launched as part of the criticism, and it really is instructive from a vantage point of coming to study the LHP for what it is. - it is good to know that you regard Master Satanis as a brother, and it helps us to know that you think you are doing him a favour by issuing your evaluative reflections.
- elitism and being 'in the 1st percentile' (as you have effectively above), 'of the (upper) 2% (as dan_dread prefers), or whathaveyou, informs the aims and interests of a great number of LHP exponents. the bugaboo horror to go alongside this is 'mediocrity', perhaps substituted for 'normalcy', 'vanilla', or 'conforming'. standing out, being more than a faceless nobody amongst a Herd of nobodies is of imperative value to those seeking to affiliate with the LHP.
- being taken seriously is surely part of this; attunement to the attentions and positive evaluation of others, long an important aspect of RHP methodologies and exponents, yet persists as a facet of those who identify with the LHP. I maintain that this is a vestige, and that masters of the LHP will drop this as time wears on. it speaks from insufficient recognition of their own individual sovereignty. those with power don't need others to acknowledge it to know that it exists. affirmation by any external is only necessary outside the dwelling of convicted personal authority.
- ("weak") strength is hypertrophied within the LHP because of the immense powerlessness experienced by those who are putting it forward into society. the wise have long ago recognized the severe limitations of 'Yang' positivity in relation to the polarities present. even the tantric Shakti is specified (sometimes sadly subordinately) to the Saivite complement. the LHP as a subculture of any intensity is so new and immature that it hasn't matured to the point of comprehending these subtleties, and instead lionizes strength, might, and dominance as of superior virtue, when in fact they carry their own severe problems making their appearance even in this thread and cult.
- the metaphors of sheep and goats ("shepherd") only go so far in disclosing their advantages and disadvantages. obviously from my perspective even the goats, while they may be a better fit for Satanists, such 'Cathedral of the Black Goat', 'Church of Azazel', 'The Baphomet' of the Church of Satan (and 'Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young'??), all but this last parenthetical are RHP constructs frocked in valuable LHP adornment. 'shepherds', therefore, refer to those who are content to lead those disabled of peer-achievement, and this has no necessary negative characterization on the whole. the cults of the Slave-Gods can in fact be charitable and humbly serving, even if they never contribute to enabling individual sovereignty in any overt manner. anti-Christianism threatens to stupefy the LHP and we should not allow this.
- the Western motif ("hoss") of course, along with '(were)wolves', 'savages', 'predators', 'vampires', etc., contains its elements of wildness and implied autonomy in a dangerous world. in the confines of society, or indeed of contained and loosely-moderated cybernetic boards, this of necessity has severe limitations, and gives the impression of ranchers husbanding cultic dupes and rubes, rounded up to be 'fleeced'. its language was promulgated outrageously by LaVey, is repeated by many others within the LHP subculture, and discloses its abject corruption in the face of contentions about 'legitimate LHP enterprises'. ultimately all of them are so corrupted, and this language only serves to transparently indicate the exploitative nature of groups on the whole. those who knowingly engage this are subject to the criticism of being reprobates, assholes, and perverse abusers. all self-adornment thereafter pretending to spiritual adeptship may be regarded as artificial and shallow.
ultimately i do not expect that i will be understood as i provide for you here a complete analysis of your activities or your language, but i do so in part for my own enjoyment and in part as a compassionate service to what i regard as requiring brilliant objective analysis in the calm light of reason. thank you for your time and interest.
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Post by ieuan on Nov 5, 2010 17:03:42 GMT -6
Within this thread, I'm allowing a bit more leniency when it comes to arguing, disputes, disrespect, and negative emotions. This might just be the Cult's darkest hour. I'd like to see slack cut. However, Jason King, while I value you and your wisdom, you are also not above the new guidelines and rules of this forum. This is an official warning to you, JK. You have badmouthed, insulted, name called, and belittled several people on this forum with flagrant contempt for me and the CoC as a whole. You too had an opportunity to work with me. What can I say to you at this point, man? Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way? I don't want to be a dictator or tyrant, but I won't allow disorder to destroy our unity or our highest aspirations! This is your problem, Venger, you live in a dream world. I'm one of those rare individuals you meet who calls it to your face rather than playing it behind your back. Think about it. To say that I have "flagrant contempt for" you is to miss everything I've ever said about you and to you. But you would be correct to say that I have a contempt of all that which seeks to impose order from without, including much of the mechanism of the CoC.
I mean just look at yourself, dude. "On January 1st 2011, I will ascend as Ipsissimus of the Cthulhu Cult." It seems as though you collect titles like they were stamps, but none of them signify anything. If you actually understood the term "ipsissimus," you would realize how doubly silly the above quote sounds. But hey, when you need something to soothe that inferiority complex, there's nothing that hits the spot like a **new-and-improved** messiah complex. Love the plural of majesty, it suits you.
Bottom line, you were wrong about both TC and Jason. They weren't trying to "take over," "depose you," or anything else so silly. The idea they had was explained to you well in advance. And you were on board . . . at least until that nagging inferiority complex kicked into high gear. Perhaps you should have "ascended to ipsissimus" at that point instead of putting it off for two months.
Bottom line #2, you lost two irreplacable lieutenants due entirely to your own psychological issues. Don't preach to me about being "awake," you haven't got a clue. And when you're dealing with the 1th percentile, accept honest disagreement for what it is, otherwise you will fail to create anything other than an RHP group with LHP trappings, as I've said to you before. The only person to ever balk at my assumptions regarding my own purpose and self-declared divinity was Jason King. And I will continue to do so. Like I said in my review of A:O, the above reads perfectly as a parody, but you mean it in all seriousness. Sad, man.
At one point, I was of the opinion that you were "wearing a costume" when you do all of this silly messiah shit, but now I know you mean it. Mark my words, brother, your present course destines you for everlasting mediocrity. The only minds who will take you seriously will be the weakest of the lot. You wanna be a shepherd? Well then, have at the sheep, hoss.
Jason King(laying down the Impsissimus Smack)It is only in the Essence of Language, do we hold Beauty AWAKE Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu .
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 5, 2010 22:21:11 GMT -6
Master Satanis and fellow Cultists, After much thought and honest introspection I have come to the decision to stand down from my ascended title of Wizard of the Terrible Darkness. After the recent ill-fated turn of events within the hierarchy I have had trouble reconciling my conflicting feelings and loyalties to those involved. It is because I have high respect for all the parties involved that I choose to relinquish my title. This isn't a sign of disrespect by any means to Master Satanis. I realize your job is a difficult one and your authoritative decision towards T.C and Jason is what you thought was right at the time, based on the factors you have explained. This is your house you have built and you shall do as you see fit. I understand this. As much as the outcome may not sit well for me, I'm sure even more so for you, it is an undesired result. I personally think it would have been worked out amiably in a more private manner before such drastic action and responses took place. But that's the beauty of hindsight. Things have changed, the triumvirate style of leadership I encountered and appreciated when I first started here has dissolved. These things happen. By my observations, I personally viewed the Heretics of Cthulhu grotto as a necessary counterbalance to the seemingly growing theistic aspect of the COC. This is not a critique, just an observation. My decision was also weighed with the fact that I have an ongoing music/artwork collaborative project with Jason Sorrell. This means a great deal to me. I don't want to be in a position within the leadership at the CoC now or in the future where I will have to choose sides, because as I have stated I respect ALL those involved. I feel this is the most honorable decision I can come to for myself and for everyone involved. I'm just laying my cards on the table. The CoC for me has been an unprecedented time in my personal development and I thank High Priest Satanis for his excellent guidance and generosity as I also thank T.C and Jason and my fellow Cultist's for their guidance and support. I have learned much here on this forum and have hopefully contributed something of value for others. If permitted, I would like to remain a member. These events haven't changed my respect for the emerald paradigm. I just have the need to step back for a bit. Sincerely, K'ara Kaiul Another great loss, in my opinion. You will be greatly missed. Good luck with your projects, and please stay in touch. I have enjoyed our conversations, K'ara Kaiul.
When the stars are right!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by ieuan on Nov 5, 2010 23:20:12 GMT -6
I agree with you Vanessa, all could see thru The Troll wanting its martyrdom. Immaturity is no excuse for buffoonery. We are all machines, deeply asleep. I believe in our Religion, The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die! Hail Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Vanessa! Your wisdom is a reflection on all of us Cultist, THANK YOU! Awake! HAIL MASTER SATANIS HAIL CULT OF CTHUHLU Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu Awesome! I actually get to put ten more cents in my "if I had a nickel for every time I've been called a troll" fund.
"Troll" - the most overused and pointless word on the internet. The last resort of those who can't deal with getting their asses handed to them.
Fact is, you're all a bunch of worthless FOLLOWERS who need to be told what to do and think. I can scan through this thread and it becomes an excellent yardstick for separating the sheep from the wolves. Those with independence, creativity, and Will stand out against the sharp contrast of those who bow and kneel - signing their posts with Venger's dick in their mouth, pointless phrases, and worthless titles. I'm happy to stand with my true brothers on the Path - Ego Diabolus and Beast Xeno. The two of them are worth thousands of YOU.
As for Venger himself, my opinion of him has not changed, and he will continue to have my *personal* support as a manifesting brother. But, I remain a staunch critic of the particular vein of the Current he is engaging. And my "support" of the CoC will always be, as it has been up to this point, a support of HIS creative vision. Which latter I must consider separately and artistically from the emergent result, which is just the fact that I'm in a room full of clowns.
Take it as you will.
Asleep!
JK(layin' down the Hand of Pimpslappery)a two bit whore with no life. u r lucky i haven't pop your video life! I want you! Talek
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 6, 2010 0:16:26 GMT -6
I don't believe Jason ever gave me his phone number.
And I did email Jason several times over the last 3 months. I made the effort. He's the one who did not reciprocate. If Jason had a problem with how the Cult was evolving or how he was evolving within the CoC, then it's up to him to voice his opinion instead of coming out with a widely divergent counter group in conjunction with T.C.
It may not have been a deliberately malicious conspiracy, but there was a definite plan to switch gears and create something incongruent with the CoC I built from the ground up. I repeat Vanessa's email:This is essentially a summary of what I've found, in case it is of interest. I also have some questions concerning the future direction of the Cult after these events. Jason said that he was intending to enable the CoC to run independently, with the leader (you) as an administrator that facilitated things. He also stated that he wanted people to approach one another as equals, sort of a think tank or networking tool instead of a hierarchy, or he wasn't interested. He had mentioned before that he felt goofy being referred to by certain honorary titles and preferred to be addressed as Jason. I suppose that's his prerogative, but dissolving titles and ranks altogether in a separate forum (as suggested for the heretical grotto) does seem to be extending those preferences beyond himself. He also said he envisioned the Council of Wizards as being more self-directed (Wizards voting on their own council and electing their own Magistrate) instead of being subject to external powers of Cult-wide election and appointment from higher-ups. He said he didn't realize you took the Mythos and yourself as seriously as you apparently do, and that he thought your claim to be Man 6 was assumptive thinking. I suppose this confirms, in detail, what I already suspected. They perceive the Cult of Cthulhu as a more casual, egalitarian structure, whereas you (by my understanding) devised it to be more ordered and authoritative. I suppose they're free to organize however they please on their own, but it is your place to direct the Cult that you created as you see fit. Jason claims he misunderstood what you had envisioned, and would not intend to stay with the Cult as you plan it, so he's gone either way. That affirms I was absolutely correct in being apprehensive about this new "grotto of heretics" and what it would mean for the CoC as a whole. Now, if this is a mischaracterization of Jason Sorrell, then please inform us all.
By the way, your continued criticism of how I've handled the situation has been noted, but I really don't have anything more to say on the manner. I'm not going to apologize for defending our emerald paradigm.
How long, Dread Lord, unholy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu In reading back through this thread, I realized that I missed this post completely. My apologies for not responding sooner.
I believe in the very beginning, you and Jason had one, maybe two, phone conversations. Whether or not you kept his phone number, I cannot say. It may have been around the same time you mailed him the pendent and Cult of Cthulhu book.
A mis-characterization of Jason? No. However, her summary is taken out of context. You see, these were his ideas as to where he is now. He did not say these things in relation to where he was taking the CoC BEFORE you cried conspiracy. I will break her summary down piece by piece: He was referring to equating you to the CEO of a business. You should be out there recruiting and engaging other leaders rather than worrying about the ins and outs of administration within the forum.He said this in regards to how he hoped the Grotto would run, and how he intended to do things now that he was on his own. He did mean that he didn't necessarily feel comfortable being addressed as Master and whatnot (except by me, of course) within the CoC forum, but he didn't mean anything by it other than expressing how he felt about titles. He believed that the Council of Wizards should be the body within the CoC to absolve conflicts and obstacles, just as your description defined them. This is not without the guidance of the higher-ranking members, just that they should be allowed to appoint their own leadership. I was actually the one to originally come up with this idea, and he agreed with me. That's why it came out as one of the things the two of you disagreed on after you responded to me about the magistrate being an appointed position rather than an elected one.He was lead to believe by you, High Priest Satanis, that the Cthulhu Mythos and your self-proclaimed direct contact with the Old Ones were merely symbolism. I don't know that he would have ever agreed to it in the beginning if he had been lead to believe otherwise. As for his thoughts on you being a Man 6, he has posted on a couple of other threads that he believed one doesn't hold at a certain level, but rather that you have moments of being a Man 6, then of being a Man 3, then maybe a Man 4. He doesn't believe that any of the levels are constant, but vary based on your level of awakening at any given moment. I don't think they perceived it as more casual. They wanted it to be more focused, specifically on the core foundations of the CoC philosophies. Yes, more casual in the sense of titles, rankings and whatnot possibly, but not on content.
Yes, of course it is your Cult to do with as you Will. Jason & TC expressed their displeasure of some of the topics that weren't focused on the core philosophies, but neither of them were going to do anything about it because you said not to, and they respected that. However, they did want to give those members that felt the same way they did about the casual content of posts that may be related to (for example) how Cthulhu appeared on South Park a way to weed out all of the extra shit and really focus on the nitty-gritty of the philosophies. Hence, the Heretical Grotto.
I don't know that any of this makes a bit of difference now. But, I didn't want to leave it out in the air without responding. Again, I apologize for the delay.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by lucofthelight on Nov 6, 2010 0:54:39 GMT -6
Thanks for your understanding brother Satanis and of course, I will keep reading Creating a Soul and seek to understand it's contents. I also look forward to the day that The Emerald Bible comes out.
I hope that one day things may be resolved between everyone. I'm sure as brothers and sisters of the Work we will at the very least be able to find the positives arising out of this situation and appreciate the time and ideas shared.
No doubt Apsara Kamalli, as I have enjoyed our interactions dearly. I appreciate the well wishes. I am honored by your opinion, thankyou.
I still remain here as a member and will be following the topics and posting as I feel the need.
Awake!
K'ara Kaiul
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Post by satanicinternation on Nov 6, 2010 3:58:55 GMT -6
I am friends and respect everyone on a personal level involved in all this. Beastxeno is an admin at SIN.And without his help and support SIN would have never been born. I have spoken with Beastxeno dozens of times on the phone for hours on end. He has never expressed anything negative about the CofC or High Priest Satanis.I find it next to impossible to believe he had any ill will or malicious intent.The man has always commanded my utmost respect. I personally trust him was the keys to SIN.At anytime he could close it down if he chose to. I think you might have been a little heavy handed or quick to assume Beastxeno intentions High Priest Satanis.
Jason (Egodiablous ) I have only known for a few months. My impression is he is a stand up guy. He recently generously offered to donate 50% of sales from specific artwork. Which was neither asked nor required. Along with some free tattoos in the near future. Doubtful he is anything short of a stand up character and a brother .
I know personally I have became suspicious of brothers on SIN including admin. I personally feel like my paranoia had something to do with being on top and investing too much time and self into it all.Sometimes it is hard to believe people can have no malicious interest and are just genuinely supportive upstanding characters.A days break and some sleep brought things into perspective for me. I think it is wise High Priest Satanis to let the dust settle before dropping the hammer on anyone mentioned. You are the High Priest and this is your vision High Priest Satanis.And you fit the role well. Because about checking brothers over failing to mention or run things be you though. Unless you are positive about their malicious intentions. I assume in the end this will work it self out.
My opinions on the topic are entirely based on the thread. So if I missed some important facts,I apologize.
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Post by satanicinternation on Nov 6, 2010 4:38:03 GMT -6
Sorry if I do not understand or follow the forum rules...I hope this reply ends up at the right place. I respect high Priest Satanis as a brother. " A friend of the devil is a friend of mine". Our friendship has been based on a mutual respect for one another. And I hope that continues. Have said that WTF is up with all the ass kissing and hub-ub worship around here?? 90% of the people posting here are pathetic. You guys I am referring too are either delusional or lack any sense of dignity ,pride or individuality. "Awake" You guys need to awake from your slumber idol worship . Is it required to refer to Venger as " Master"? I will go with the High Priest thing. He is the grand poo-bah here and this is his show. But the only person I will ever call master is someone who is one with the force and carries a fucking lite-saber . You people follow your " Messiah " over the edge of the cliff or to a punch full of Poison Kool-Aid.This is all smoke and mirrors to me and have no pity for those that don't see it. High Priest Satanis will always have my support as a brother of the LHP. Even if he is on a " Messiah" trip. Who am to say....he could actually turn out to be THE FIRST IN HISTORY TO BE ONE.
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Post by satanicinternation on Nov 6, 2010 4:54:40 GMT -6
But who am I to have any say or opinion. I am merely a " new member" with 1 star and no karma points?? If the great void opens up and the old ones come ripping into reality like in the mouth of madness movie. What happens us,too you ? Do you believe that you become gods for following the messiah or whatever? High Priest Satanis I asked you several times if you believed literally in this stuff. As a question presented in the that context and as a general question regarding being a theist or not. If you truly believe this stuff,and your messiah thing you are delusional IMO. I am hoping you to say soon " gotcha motha fuckas" or something.Something tells me this is all bullshit , even to you . That your power hungry to lead mindless followers . but you know my philosophical back ground. I am surprised someone such as yourself would fall that far away from it. If this is not intended to be taken seriously I apologize . If so I am trying to give you a reality check in the most respectful way I can on this forum.
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Post by lucofthelight on Nov 6, 2010 5:57:03 GMT -6
Sorry if I do not understand or follow the forum rules...I hope this reply ends up at the right place. I respect high Priest Satanis as a brother. " A friend of the devil is a friend of mine". Our friendship has been based on a mutual respect for one another. And I hope that continues. Have said that WTF is up with all the ass kissing and hub-ub worship around here?? 90% of the people posting here are pathetic. You guys I am referring too are either delusional or lack any sense of dignity ,pride or individuality. "Awake" You guys need to awake from your slumber idol worship . Is it required to refer to Venger as " Master"? I will go with the High Priest thing. He is the grand poo-bah here and this is his show. But the only person I will ever call master is someone who is one with the force and carries a fucking lite-saber . You people follow your " Messiah " over the edge of the cliff or to a punch full of Poison Kool-Aid.This is all smoke and mirrors to me and have no pity for those that don't see it. High Priest Satanis will always have my support as a brother of the LHP. Even if he is on a " Messiah" trip. Who am to say....he could actually turn out to be THE FIRST IN HISTORY TO BE ONE. Your right on many points here SIN. The latest developments in the CoC has brought out ass-kissing to near fever pitched levels. True LHP has the primary qualities of independence and individuality rather than subordination and herd like devotion. The phrases at the end of each post are required by members as per the forum rules along with referring to Venger as High Priest Satanis, Master Satanis, Lord Satanis and Brother Satanis. I'm pretty sure I'm correct in this. It's a sign of respect and not always necessarily a sign of messiah worship, just as the former Priests were to be referred to in this manner as well. Awake! K'ara Kaiul
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Post by Jason King on Nov 6, 2010 7:46:08 GMT -6
Oh my God, finally you get it! Let the Crawling One's undulating tentacles flow down the mountain like a black stream of spiritual filth, Jason King has at last gotten it!
[/b][/quote] I'll make this simple. I honestly gave you more credit than that, but whatever. IF . . . no, wait
BIG IF
you ever find someone HALF as insightful as TC, or HALF as artistically creative as Ego, and get them to buy your steaming load of nonsense, I will fall down and worship Your Emeraldness.
HOWEVER, while we're all waiting for pigs to fly, I'll just call bullshit.
You fucked up, end of story.
JtotheK
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Post by Jason King on Nov 6, 2010 8:05:48 GMT -6
A bunch of shit that was flushed to the right (no pun intended) You seriously wrote all that for me, Naga? I'm both honored and somewhat bored (kidding). What I really enjoy is that you are arguing counter to your position against me on MCoS. Some of your critiques almost read like indirect quotes of mine on the Autotheism thread towards both you and others.
Ultimately, though, the bottom line is that you can't sit on the proverbial fence forever. Perhaps you see the Adversary in that - as do I, after a fashion, but at the end of the day, the Wheel turns and moves forwards. Middlemanishness (a word I just coined, btw) will always result in stagnation. Think about it.
JK
p.s. your linguistic analysis was awesome, but missed at least one mark, hoss.
p.p.s. that last word was a clue.
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Post by ieuan on Nov 6, 2010 8:48:14 GMT -6
You are still a little boy who wants an agenda......go feed your dog.... ;D
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Post by ieuan on Nov 6, 2010 8:56:31 GMT -6
You call yourself a Satanist..you dont even know the meaning of the word....
Talek
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Post by Jason King on Nov 6, 2010 9:17:46 GMT -6
You call yourself a Satanist..you dont even know the meaning of the word.... Talek Dude, I'll say this once and only once: stop soliciting gay sex from me in PM. Seriously. I'm getting tired of checkmarking boxes and shit.
Regarding the "point" - I'll be on The Ooze today, 1PM EST. You can call in and be a man, or you can have me call you on the fact that you didn't. And trust me, I'll beat that shit with a pole, dude.
All Day
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Post by ieuan on Nov 6, 2010 9:25:41 GMT -6
Within this thread, I'm allowing a bit more leniency when it comes to arguing, disputes, disrespect, and negative emotions. This might just be the Cult's darkest hour. I'd like to see slack cut. However, Jason King, while I value you and your wisdom, you are also not above the new guidelines and rules of this forum. This is an official warning to you, JK. You have badmouthed, insulted, name called, and belittled several people on this forum with flagrant contempt for me and the CoC as a whole. You too had an opportunity to work with me. What can I say to you at this point, man? Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way? I don't want to be a dictator or tyrant, but I won't allow disorder to destroy our unity or our highest aspirations! This is your problem, Venger, you live in a dream world. I'm one of those rare individuals you meet who calls it to your face rather than playing it behind your back. Think about it. To say that I have "flagrant contempt for" you is to miss everything I've ever said about you and to you. But you would be correct to say that I have a contempt of all that which seeks to impose order from without, including much of the mechanism of the CoC.
I mean just look at yourself, dude. "On January 1st 2011, I will ascend as Ipsissimus of the Cthulhu Cult." It seems as though you collect titles like they were stamps, but none of them signify anything. If you actually understood the term "ipsissimus," you would realize how doubly silly the above quote sounds. But hey, when you need something to soothe that inferiority complex, there's nothing that hits the spot like a **new-and-improved** messiah complex. Love the plural of majesty, it suits you.
Bottom line, you were wrong about both TC and Jason. They weren't trying to "take over," "depose you," or anything else so silly. The idea they had was explained to you well in advance. And you were on board . . . at least until that nagging inferiority complex kicked into high gear. Perhaps you should have "ascended to ipsissimus" at that point instead of putting it off for two months.
Bottom line #2, you lost two irreplacable lieutenants due entirely to your own psychological issues. Don't preach to me about being "awake," you haven't got a clue. And when you're dealing with the 1th percentile, accept honest disagreement for what it is, otherwise you will fail to create anything other than an RHP group with LHP trappings, as I've said to you before. The only person to ever balk at my assumptions regarding my own purpose and self-declared divinity was Jason King. And I will continue to do so. Like I said in my review of A:O, the above reads perfectly as a parody, but you mean it in all seriousness. Sad, man.
At one point, I was of the opinion that you were "wearing a costume" when you do all of this silly messiah shit, but now I know you mean it. Mark my words, brother, your present course destines you for everlasting mediocrity. The only minds who will take you seriously will be the weakest of the lot. You wanna be a shepherd? Well then, have at the sheep, hoss.
Jason King(laying down the Impsissimus Smack)Stop fantasizing about me.....go back to your usually norm..hiding behind sun glasses and a pick hat... Talek
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Post by Jason King on Nov 6, 2010 9:30:05 GMT -6
^^^
Idiot. You actually ripped the wrong quote, loser. OOPSY!
JK
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 6, 2010 9:34:21 GMT -6
Regarding the "point" - I'll be on The Ooze today, 1PM EST. You can call in... Should be an interesting show! I can't wait to hear TC's side of things first hand.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by ieuan on Nov 6, 2010 9:35:14 GMT -6
The only loser is you Jason King.....postmodern Satanism...what a joke.....who are you...mm...you must be the KIng of Bull Shit...
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 6, 2010 10:35:08 GMT -6
Unfortunately, it looks like compromise and reconciliation are not possible at this point. Master Satanis invited TC and Jason to return; thus far, Jason has declined. Had the lines of communication been more open and all parties had a clearer understanding of what was intended from the beginning, this may have been averted. As Master Satanis stated, this is a sad development. You may confirm your loyalty to Master Satanis as you see fit, but this rift is no cause for celebration.
Following is Jason's response to High Priest Santanis' offer of reconciliation. I, as well as TC & Vanessa, were copied on his reply."Darrick, I did see that I was unbanned, and after a short read of where the "Heresy" thread was at, simply deleted my account. I had no designs on usurping your leadership, no interest in seeing your organization rested from your control. I did want to be a part of something lasting and of value, and for a moment thought the Cult of Cthulhu with TC and yourself would be the impetus of something truly monumental... a legacy to stand the test of time. Clearly, it was my own assumptive thinking that was at fault. Alba Kalool had me pegged perfectly. I have grown and evolved from my participation in the Cult of Cthulhu, but no longer see a place for me within it. I am more than confident that I will be fine pursuing the ends I sought for the betterment of your organization on my own, or in collaboration with TC and others. I hope that you, too, profit from these events. Jason" Thought the cult should see his words directly.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 6, 2010 10:59:54 GMT -6
From Naga:
Yes, I was referring to a very limited subset within this board. Although, the vast majority of people who criticize me, the CoC, or my books don't usually invest that much time in focusing on the self-divinity / messiah stuff. Rather, they lump everything they don't like together and call me crazy, ridiculous, insane, a fool, misguided, a dreamer, etc.
By the way, I've never claimed to be Godlike alone. The entire CoC is working towards self-deification.
On whether I'm "worthy" of any such title is up to the individual. For those still waiting to see, I say to them "have faith in me". Have I not performed miracles?
Perhaps this is the brightest hour of the CoC. And perhaps my original use of darkness served two masters?
As for the King Ego Beast perspective, they are free to believe whatever they wish. However, I do find it more than a little fitting, as well as amusing, that such a combined view of things is given such a name. Let us not fall into the King Ego Beast trap, for all our sakes.
What you mentioned about the hiving and breaking off was well stated, brother. Thanks for saying your peace, Nagasiva.
And yet I do worry. As CEO, am I not entitled to run my business as I see fit? And if my behavior did match the majority of corporations, would that not yield mechanical results?
Personally, I don't see how mention of our titular, patron God and this very institution on national television is frivolous.
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SIN, you started out well, but now just seem to fall in comfortable step with the King Ego Beast. That disappoints me because I thought we did have a mutual respect for our divergent viewpoints. However, you seem to quite readily dismiss mine. I wonder why? Is my paradigm so distasteful?
I believe that T.C. and Jason Sorrell are "stand up guys". Regardless of good deeds or best intentions, I need a Priesthood who will stand beside me no matter what. Conscious order is based upon individuals who freely choose to follow a chain of command. Yes, sometimes the Left Hand Path requires faith and obedience and service. If that makes your ears bleed, then I'm sorry for laying that kind of advanced truth upon you. Sometimes, the third side can be difficult to fully grasp, let alone appreciate.
What you call fever pitched ass-kissing, I see as a sign of respect and clear devotion to a single purpose. Is it so wrong to support the man who made all of this possible? Ironically, it is usually those who have the most to thank me for who show themselves to be the least grateful. Such is the way of things.
Please, everyone, read the new guidelines and rules thread. That should make our communication more effective.
Yeah, who could argue with that level of maturity? Please, for sake of the King Ego Beast, don't keep shooting yourself in the foot. T.C. and Jason Sorrell's memory deserves far better than your denigrating it with such knee-jerk buffoonery and condescending derision. Show some respect to our former Priests or R'lyeh!
Let he that is so convinced of his own rightness be warmed by its false illumination.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 6, 2010 11:25:32 GMT -6
Unfortunately, it looks like compromise and reconciliation are not possible at this point. Master Satanis invited TC and Jason to return; thus far, Jason has declined. Had the lines of communication been more open and all parties had a clearer understanding of what was intended from the beginning, this may have been averted. As Master Satanis stated, this is a sad development. You may confirm your loyalty to Master Satanis as you see fit, but this rift is no cause for celebration.
Following is Jason's response to High Priest Santanis' offer of reconciliation. I, as well as TC & Vanessa, were copied on his reply."Darrick, I did see that I was unbanned, and after a short read of where the "Heresy" thread was at, simply deleted my account. I had no designs on usurping your leadership, no interest in seeing your organization rested from your control. I did want to be a part of something lasting and of value, and for a moment thought the Cult of Cthulhu with TC and yourself would be the impetus of something truly monumental... a legacy to stand the test of time. Clearly, it was my own assumptive thinking that was at fault. Alba Kalool had me pegged perfectly. I have grown and evolved from my participation in the Cult of Cthulhu, but no longer see a place for me within it. I am more than confident that I will be fine pursuing the ends I sought for the betterment of your organization on my own, or in collaboration with TC and others. I hope that you, too, profit from these events. Jason" Thought the cult should see his words directly.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu And my response to Jason's email which, I couldn't help but notice, was conspicuously absent from your post....Awake!
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