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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 5, 2010 13:11:21 GMT -6
Hello brothers, I have just finished reading Liber AO and found a specific idea both interesting and curious, as it opposes my beliefs. My belief is that pornography distances humans from contacting each other in reality and specially in case of the common man to become lost in his own fantasies. Worst still is when Pornography replaces the need for sex itself. When the orgasm has occured your drive and motivation to get a girl becomes less necessary, since we can resolve our own needs without any need for outside influence. Probably answers why so little of us are getting laid regularly. statistics are not in favor of the majority of people having sex.
Quoting liber AO. Page 53 The Cult of Cthulhu believes in the freedom of polygamy or plural marriage for all human be- ings. Our devotion to sexual liberation also demands the legalization of prostitution, as well as, the making and viewing of all types of pornography (as long as children are not involved) in every part of the world.
I posed this question to venger satanis and would be interested to hear what people think of pornography and how the people in the cthulu cult can believe and support in such a life denying activity. Mind you in the cthulu cult they also believe in the "dark man" spreading his seed as often as possible and the idea of eugenics popularized by the Nazi force as a form active contribution towards the evolution of man.
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Post by tentaclednephilim on Oct 5, 2010 13:27:59 GMT -6
You're making some incorrect assumptions, mrcharming33. First, you assume that the purpose of pornography is as an artificial sexual partner. Usually assumptions like that stem from personal experience.
Pornography has many other uses. It can be used to learn different sexual positions, a means to enhance sex with your partner(s), and even as a filler between when you see your partner(s) among other things. I could come up with more, but just like anything, it's all up to your intent.
You are also making the assumption that people here are espousing the eugenics of the Nazis. If you read carefully, and critically, you will see this is not the case.
ia ia Cthulhu fhatgn!
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 5, 2010 14:09:13 GMT -6
Also, keep in mind that the fullest extent of sexual pleasure can only be realized via individual sexual fetishes and preferences. How can a person even explore his or her sexual preference without pornography.
Additionally, masturbation is a viable option when faced with the prospect of copulating with someone who has negative genetic potential. Isn't porn better than impregnating a bitch or asshole or utter douche?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by egodiabolus on Oct 5, 2010 15:04:18 GMT -6
Hello brothers, My belief is that pornography distances humans from contacting each other in reality and specially in case of the common man to become lost in his own fantasies. Thankfully, you clarified that these statements are your 'beliefs', thus not requiring any evidence to make your statements facts. Men and women have both used pornography as a sexual aid since the dawn of man, a depiction of the sex act is among our oldest cave-paintings. Pornography encourages sex and stimulates the sexual urge.
Becoming lost in your fantasies is a situation to be avoided, but people can become lost in fanatsies about anything; pornography, science-fiction, the idea that their beliefs are somehow worthy of merit and the attention of others... Most people, however, do not become "lost in their fantasies", the average person having a well developed sense of what is real (subjectively) and what is not.
I will concede to you that extreme addiction to anything, including pornography, does have amongst its symptoms isolation and antiscoial behavior, not unlike addiction to social forums on the internet. You cannot use the potential negative behaviors exhibited by the most extreme participants in that activity as a common trait of all those who participate or even suggest that the root cause is limited to your particular point of bias. If we would say that 3% of the population has a greater than average tendency to become addicted (just pulling a number out of the air), then you will expect to find people addicted to porn, to booze, to KFC chicken... whatever. Just because an addict happens to fixiate on pornography does not establish that pornography is itself addictive. Worst still is when Pornography replaces the need for sex itself. When the orgasm has occured your drive and motivation to get a girl becomes less necessary, since we can resolve our own needs without any need for outside influence. Probably answers why so little of us are getting laid regularly. statistics are not in favor of the majority of people having sex. Speak for yourself!
First, your logic is flawed. Pornography does not equal orgasm and all the subsequent negatives you see in orgasm (I will get to that). Masturbation or sex equals orgasm (the mature mind makes no distinction other than "sex with the self" or "sex with others"). Pornography stimualtes the sexual urge, it is up to you how you express it.
You must be very selfish, sexually. Based on your statement, when you get-off, you lose interest. How lovely for your partner! Indeed, it seems that when you are aroused, you tend to rub-one-out rather than go after your girl. And, why the totally male-focus of your statement? Do you really assume that it is only men who enjoy pornography?
All of this is symptomatic of a inexperience. I posed this question to venger satanis and would be interested to hear what people think of pornography and how the people in the cthulu cult can believe and support in such a life denying activity. Again, your logic is flawed. There are several layers (several choices that the individual must make) between pornography and your denial of life. You are speaking volumes about your personal hang-ups and little about the reality of the topic. Mind you in the cthulu cult they also believe in the "dark man" spreading his seed as often as possible and the idea of eugenics popularized by the Nazi force as a form active contribution towards the evolution of man. Now, this is just what I like to call a "punk-ass-bitch" statement, again symptomatic of inexperience and in addition a very small world view. You are actively trying to form a connection in your readers' minds between the Cult of Cthulhu and the Nazi Party by mentioning a thread that has no real relation to your arguement and also blatantly disregarding what has been stated in that thread. The Nazi Party practiced what could be largely considered "negative eugencics", because it actively saught to eliminate certain contributors to the gene-pool. "Positive eugenics", a naturally occuring phenomenon that the Cult of Cthulhu's members support, encourages the most successful members of our species to procreate while discouraging (not eliminating) the least successful.
If and when you do manage to crawl out from under your momma's skirt, learn to think for yourself, and come to enjoy the sexuality of others as well as your own, perhaps you will then finally have something worthwhile to say.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 5, 2010 20:04:02 GMT -6
well you have made the assumption that most people can tell the difference between false and real. There are numerous sources, as an example check out some documentaries on porn addiction, and you will see how much mature people really do not know about what reality is. Ted bundy for instance viewed a major amount of pornography and seeking to have his now "fantasies" manifest, gave up control to the all too free "psychological id" and destructed the lives of many innocent young women as he fulfilled his personal fetishes. Pornography while as you mention carries certain benefits, the harm caused to the human brained, one that is undeveloped as most of us are and under excessive use leads to the corruption of our image of reality. Besides this, there is a scientific phenomenon that dictates that just like the intake of nicotine can activate neurotransmitters in the brain, cause relaxation and release endorphins, so can watching excitable images of pornography, except to a much more extreme extent. These endorphins are addictive and the release of them trigger the body to fulfill its fix. It has been noted by statistics and please feel free to research around, there is only a very small percentage of the population actually getting laid with many different partners and therefore are fulfilling their need for sex in a natural way. My main statement is not comparing the effect of what is advocated by satanis in the cthulu cult in any way to the gruesome violation of mankind by the nazis as you have wrongfully assumed. Eugenics is an idea that became most popularized by the nazis as they took an idea put forth by people like Darwin and into calculated progressive action. There is much more to disprove everything you have said, none of which reflected anything personal about me but you made it personal about me. Your attitude towards to the post is extremely hostile and very religious. Perhaps you are offended by what I said. I was under the impression that what is said here would be taken in light of friendship, growth and progress. None of which unfortunately were demonstrated.
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 5, 2010 20:13:00 GMT -6
You're making some incorrect assumptions, mrcharming33. First, you assume that the purpose of pornography is as an artificial sexual partner. Usually assumptions like that stem from personal experience. Pornography has many other uses. It can be used to learn different sexual positions, a means to enhance sex with your partner(s), and even as a filler between when you see your partner(s) among other things. I could come up with more, but just like anything, it's all up to your intent. You are also making the assumption that people here are espousing the eugenics of the Nazis. If you read carefully, and critically, you will see this is not the case. ia ia Cthulhu fhatgn! Pornography's intent it seems you have confused with the benefits that you're personally gaining from it. You are seeing the half full side of the glass, which is somewhat of a mistake in the greater picture. There are instructional sex videos where you can learn different positions and even books to gain some insights into improving your sex life, if that is your will. we are here talking about girls getting gangbanged, double anal, girl licking cum off of a toilet seat, beastiality, and every other strand of this disgusting creation. Women that act in those movies are in every way disturbed, to their own testimonials. here's one pornstar's story at this link: I will admit that under controlled circumstances used by a master of the dark arts, pornography is but a feeble influence, much like anything else. Sex is the most powerful force in the human body and when kids starting from 10 years of age are viewing this material it is distorting reality for them when they go out seeking "meat" to fill. Thank you for your comment. nazi's use of the eugenics is not paralleled by the advocations of the cthulu cult. Read my other post.
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 5, 2010 20:27:52 GMT -6
Also, keep in mind that the fullest extent of sexual pleasure can only be realized via individual sexual fetishes and preferences. How can a person even explore his or her sexual preference without pornography.
Additionally, masturbation is a viable option when faced with the prospect of copulating with someone who has negative genetic potential. Isn't porn better than impregnating a bitch or asshole or utter douche?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
brother satanis, Thank you for your wonderful contribution to the world of consciousness. Your efforts are appreciated. Sexual fetishes must be explored via experimentation. How do you think people were evolving before playboy entered the scene. Pornography while can benefit an individual to become better under controlled circumstances, the mass use of it by the sleeping majority of people must be prohibited. Just like Alcohol has benefits and so can many drugs and other hallucinogenics, but would you prescribe every average joe with no direction, chained to the corporate rat race to TAKE them ? to have access to them? I hope not. You say man is a machine, how much more devastating is a machine on drugs. Empowered by pornographic images and let loose into the streets where unsuspecting other machines and non machines happen to live in peace. the statistics on rape is not as low as we want it to be right now, why motivate people that are not going to get laid with the promise of sex that many are going to get through force. what percentage of us is in reality alpha? to your second point : sex and impregnation should be separated from one another of course. if she has negative genetic potential, I suppose she's discounted in those ways by the code of the cthulu eugenics. The experience of sex is ultimately much more powerful than a guy sitting in his room with his dick in his hand, drooling to fantasy. Awake! Ia Ia cthulu Phtagn
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Post by xiaogui17 on Oct 5, 2010 20:59:54 GMT -6
I think many of the replies have addressed some of your concerns already, but I thought I might contribute for the sake of giving you a woman's perspective on the "porn" issue. My belief is that pornography distances humans from contacting each other in reality and specially in case of the common man to become lost in his own fantasies. Pornography could replace sex only if it could do everything sex can. If the sole purpose of sex were the arousal and orgasm, I suppose masturbating to pornography could replace it. But as you yourself noted, humans need contact with one another, preferably a degree of intimacy. If pornography cannot provide that, how could it ever replace sex? Worst still is when Pornography replaces the need for sex itself. When the orgasm has occured your drive and motivation to get a girl becomes less necessary, since we can resolve our own needs without any need for outside influence. Men that haven’t gotten off in a while tend to be deeply frustrated, often bordering on insane, and their desperation reeks in a way that’s repulsive to women. I’d much rather talk to a guy who recently jacked off and can talk about something other than sex. It's annoying talking to a guy whose sole motivation for speaking to me is clearly a frantic urge to get laid as quickly as possible. Someone whose spermatazoa have backed up in his system so far they’ve begun to eat away at his brain isn’t going to be an engaging conversationalist and thus is less likely to get in my pants. Poon is an elusive prey; the more you chase it, the more it runs away. I posed this question to venger satanis and would be interested to hear what people think of pornography and how the people in the cthulu cult can believe and support in such a life denying activity. The only time I can imagine pornography becoming preferable to sex is if one were having really bad sex. Sometimes a preference for pornography over one’s partner signifies a lack of compatibility, an inattentive partner, or an inept partner. This is hardly pornography’s fault. If someone were so pathetic that he would willingly give up sex in favor of jacking off to pornography, such a wanker (literally!) would probably lack sexual prowess and emotional depth. All the better that he remain alone, then, neither inflicting his immaturity on a partner nor spreading his inferior genes. I believe that one is not fit to share oneself with another until one knows oneself. Pornography can help a virgin explore his own sexuality so that he understands his own needs, desires, fantasies, etc and can thus let his partner know what he likes. Two partners who know themselves will get to know one another much better. And, as Master Satanis and tentaclednephilim noted, pornography can be educational (though it is vital one distinguish between fantasy and reality). One can explore fetishes and acts through pornography that one may otherwise be unaware of. I’ve learned a lot about my own sexuality through porn, and it helps contribute to both my own gratification and my appeal—the self-aware partner is more fun to be with. You said people should explore fetishes through experimentation, but many of my current fetishes would never have occurred to me without pornography. well you have made the assumption that most people can tell the difference between false and real. There are numerous sources, as an example check out some documentaries on porn addiction, and you will see how much mature people really do not know about what reality is. Ted bundy for instance viewed a major amount of pornography and seeking to have his now "fantasies" manifest, gave up control to the all too free "psychological id" and destructed the lives of many innocent young women as he fulfilled his personal fetishes. I wouldn't consider Ted Bundy a representative example of “mature people.” There were any number of factors that contributed to his abnormal development, including abusive relatives and a family history of severe mental illness. Why, of all things, would you identify pornography alone as the deciding factor that caused him to become what he was? Pornography while as you mention carries certain benefits, the harm caused to the human brained, one that is undeveloped as most of us are and under excessive use leads to the corruption of our image of reality. Requesting source for this. Even if you could demonstrate that excessive consumption of pornography warped one’s perception of reality, that would identify the vice as excess, not the porn itself. As Priest of Rl’yeh Ego Diabolus already said, anything can be addictive. Besides, this seems to be a confusion of cause and effect. People with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder wash their hands excessively. This doesn’t mean that hand-washing causes their OCD; rather, the hand-washing is a symptom of their problem. Porn addiction, similarly, could be a result, not a cause, of mental illness. Besides this, there is a scientific phenomenon that dictates that just like the intake of nicotine can activate neurotransmitters in the brain, cause relaxation and release endorphins, so can watching excitable images of pornography, except to a much more extreme extent. These endorphins are addictive and the release of them trigger the body to fulfill its fix. When one masturbates, the brain releases a low level output of endorphins after orgasm. When one has sex, the brain releases a massive cocktail of endorphins, oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, norephinephrine, nitric oxide, etc that signify a higher degree of both physical and emotional fulfillment. There are enough powerful feedbacks in the human neural system to encourage sex over masturbation. If there weren’t, we would have gone extinct aeons ago. It has been noted by statistics and please feel free to research around, there is only a very small percentage of the population actually getting laid with many different partners and therefore are fulfilling their need for sex in a natural way. I don’t doubt that, but what makes you think pornography is the cause? Could it be the stigma against promiscuity? Could it be emotional attachment to a single partner? Could it be fear of disease, unwanted pregnancy, roasting in hell for adultery/lust, and buyer’s remorse? Why single out pornography as the culprit of this phenomenon? Mind you in the cthulu cult they also believe in the "dark man" spreading his seed as often as possible and the idea of eugenics popularized by the Nazi force as a form active contribution towards the evolution of man. My main statement is not comparing the effect of what is advocated by satanis in the cthulu cult in any way to the gruesome violation of mankind by the nazis as you have wrongfully assumed. Eugenics is an idea that became most popularized by the nazis as they took an idea put forth by people like Darwin and into calculated progressive action. There seems to be a powerful association between the term “eugenics” and Nazis in our culture. While I understand why people think this, the reputation is undeserved. It would make about as much sense to claim that vegetarianism is a Nazi ideology since Hitler espoused it. As I noted before in the eugenics thread, ethnic cleansing actually runs counter to sound eugenics. Genetic diversity, including racial diversity, is beneficial to the vitality of a species’s population. Ethnic cleansing would lead to a lack of genetic diversity, making the population more vulnerable to being wiped out in the face of a threat that targets certain characteristics. A populus limited to a particular race would also result in heavy inbreeding, causing the emergence of debilitating recessive conditions. By the standards of true eugenics, miscegenation would actually promote a hybrid vigor. Hybrids tend to enjoy the benefits of a condition without any of its drawbacks (for example, an individual heterozygous for sickle cell anemia still has functioning red blood cells, yet also benefits from immunity to malaria.) Tiger Woods could be considered a triumph of positive eugenics. There is much more to disprove everything you have said, none of which reflected anything personal about me but you made it personal about me. Your attitude towards to the post is extremely hostile and very religious. Perhaps you are offended by what I said. I was under the impression that what is said here would be taken in light of friendship, growth and progress. None of which unfortunately were demonstrated. If there is much more to disprove what has been said, I’d actually like to see that. You haven’t really directly addressed any of the replies; instead, you’ve restated and elaborated on your original point. That’s not a rebuttal. As for it getting personal, your statements about the nature of pornography reflect your understanding and perspective of it. If your perspective is this narrow, it does reflect a certain lack of experience or ignorance on your part. I initially thought Master Diabolus was being a bit harsh in his reply, but after reading your persistent insistence I’m inclined to say it was appropriate. we are here talking about girls getting gangbanged, double anal, girl licking cum off of a toilet seat, beastiality, and every other strand of this disgusting creation. Women that act in those movies are in every way disturbed, to their own testimonials. here's one pornstar's story at this link: I don't doubt that there are adult actresses who are somewhat coerced or manipulated, and there are probably many who regret their participation in porn. But issues with working conditions in the industry do not necessarily reflect on the product itself. If we discovered that grapefruits were grown on a slave plantation, would that prove that grapefruits are evil, or that there was an unethical agricultural group growing grapefruits? As for bestiality, I think Dan Savage put it best: If I were a sheep, I'd rather be screwed than stewed. We do a lot of things to animals that they probably wouldn't consent to, like, gee, eating and wearing them. There are also many adult actresses (and other sex workers) who love their jobs (Sasha Grey, for instance). In addition, many women enjoy acts such as being gangbanged, double penetrated (in any orifice), humiliated, degraded, beaten, bound, or bruised. Who are you to tell these women that they can't have what they like? This seems to be an echo of this thread. Awake!
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 5, 2010 21:50:19 GMT -6
okay this seems to be a common pattern in some of the other forum posts as well. You take different parts of somebody's statement and rebuttal them rather than seeing the greater point that they are advocating. If you did that, it would take a very long time to address every detail of a concern you may have regarding the message and even still you can continue to argue for the sake of being right, deviating from the reality of the matter. First of all I must say that I appreciate you coming out and posting what you did from a female's perspective. You should also know that male and female bodies operate in absolutely different ways in many ways and so do our brains and therefore our responses to stimuli. For instance a woman can orgasm many times and continue to feel better and more energetic, absorbing a man's energy while a man who climaxes numerous times eventually will give in to tiredness, loss of energy and the need for sleep. Here I'm going to try to address as many of your points as I can and just try to keep an open mind.
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Post by egodiabolus on Oct 5, 2010 22:11:47 GMT -6
well you have made the assumption that most people can tell the difference between false and real. It is not an assumption. The vast majority of people do not exhibit the clinical psychosis or neurosis you go on to sight.
There are numerous sources, as an example check out some documentaries on porn addiction, and you will see how much mature people really do not know about what reality is. Ted bundy for instance viewed a major amount of pornography and seeking to have his now "fantasies" manifest, gave up control to the all too free "psychological id" and destructed the lives of many innocent young women as he fulfilled his personal fetishes. As I already stated, the extreme examples of addiction and the associated behaviors do not represent the average. Did you actually read anything, or just skim through it?
Pornography while as you mention carries certain benefits, the harm caused to the human brained, one that is undeveloped as most of us are and under excessive use leads to the corruption of our image of reality. Besides this, there is a scientific phenomenon that dictates that just like the intake of nicotine can activate neurotransmitters in the brain, cause relaxation and release endorphins, so can watching excitable images of pornography, except to a much more extreme extent. These endorphins are addictive and the release of them trigger the body to fulfill its fix. These same triggers are experienced during sexual arousal of any sort, even with a regular partner. You have an issue with porn, but not with sex, yet sexual addiction is equally as prevalent in our society. Again, you are using the extreme few to try to regulate the behavior of the majority. Flawed logic. It has been noted by statistics and please feel free to research around, there is only a very small percentage of the population actually getting laid with many different partners and therefore are fulfilling their need for sex in a natural way. It is your argument to prove, not mine. Point to your research, gives us the links to the credible sources that support your argument that demonstrates that pornography addiction afflicts the majority and that the majority are not satisfied sexually. Do not try to transform your original argument into a statement about polygamy. Your original post stated the following:
"Probably answers why so little of us are getting laid regularly. statistics are not in favor of the majority of people having sex."
If you cannot stay on point, then don't bother. My main statement is not comparing the effect of what is advocated by satanis in the cthulu cult in any way to the gruesome violation of mankind by the nazis as you have wrongfully assumed. Eugenics is an idea that became most popularized by the nazis as they took an idea put forth by people like Darwin and into calculated progressive action. The Nazis had a eugenics program. The justifiable demonization of the Nazis and their programs has resulted in the wrongful demonization of what are otherwise positive concepts. Your original statement was:
"Mind you in the cthulu cult they also believe in the "dark man" spreading his seed as often as possible and the idea of eugenics popularized by the Nazi force as a form active contribution towards the evolution of man. "
How could anyone assume anything less than an effort on your part to draw a parallel between the Nazi Party and the CoC because some of its members advocate positive eugenics? There is much more to disprove everything you have said, none of which reflected anything personal about me but you made it personal about me. You made the post about you, and made some outrageous assumptions about everyone else. I just pointed it out. Your attitude towards to the post is extremely hostile and very religious. Hostile? Only in what I see as a blatant disregard for this forum and an attack on the Cult of Cthulhu and its membership. If you misspoke, and did not intend for your statements to be made in the context you made them, then choose your words more carefully.
Religious? Countering with factual arguments, real-life experience, and an honest-to-cthulhuness opinion of my own is religious? Did someone once call you "religious" and now you think it is a put-down? Look around! The Cult of Cthulhu is a bon-a-fide religion! No doubt one of its Priests will have a religious point or two to make, but I challenge you to quote the religious statement you refer to in my initial response.Perhaps you are offended by what I said. I was under the impression that what is said here would be taken in light of friendship, growth and progress. None of which unfortunately were demonstrated. I am offended by what you said! Such awesome stupidity invokes either humor or ire, and I find nothing funny about your opinions, your delusions, or your assumptions about this forum.
Your impressions are mistaken. Did you see a link to the Cult of Cthulhu petting zoo on the main page? Do friends often end their posts about their friends by pointing out how much they have in common with Nazis?. You really assumed that friendship was an automatic aspect of your exchange in this forum? That just underlines the awesome stupidity you continue to spew forth! Friendship must be earned. Read all the responses here, people are arguing against your point, not for it. Does friendship to you mean that any hair-brained, half-assed statement you make goes unchalleneged?
Growth and progress are a part of our Work. This is the Cult of Cthulhu, not the Mickey Mouse Club. Here, ideas are challenged aggressively, especially when they are ass-backwards as those you have presented in this thread. This is a crucible of fire; you will with either be tempered and become worthy to be called "friend" of the Cult of Cthulhu, or you will be more dross who's only purpose was to demonstrate the refinement of others.
"Friend"?... do you have any clue who you are talking to?
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhatgn!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 5, 2010 23:15:18 GMT -6
Pornography could replace sex only if it could do everything sex can. If the sole purpose of sex were the arousal and orgasm, I suppose masturbating to pornography could replace it. But as you yourself noted, humans need contact with one another, preferably a degree of intimacy. If pornography cannot provide that, how could it ever replace sex?" Humans need contact with each other but many go on in life without fulfilling the essential of their needs. Much like how there are so many people who are antisocial and associate with almost no one outside of work or only the people around them, while the need to be social and have love is such a primal and powerful desire in us. Pornography replaces sex in the way that it gives us the "quick fix". The urge to have sex in itself is meant to be a motivation to mate and be in touch with the opposite sex, while releasing the urge leads to the lack of desire to be with women, besides many other arrays of destructive behaviour commonly known to exist with men such as the loss of confidence necessary to contact women, hair loss, weakness of joints over consistent use and premature ejaculation. Men that haven’t gotten off in a while tend to be deeply frustrated, often bordering on insane, and their desperation reeks in a way that’s repulsive to women. I’d much rather talk to a guy who recently jacked off and can talk about something other than sex. It's annoying talking to a guy whose sole motivation for speaking to me is clearly a frantic urge to get laid as quickly as possible. Someone whose spermatazoa have backed up in his system so far they’ve begun to eat away at his brain isn’t going to be an engaging conversationalist and thus is less likely to get in my pants. Poon is an elusive prey; the more you chase it, the more it runs away." To your utmost surprise the excessive desire for orgasm fades as one is not so stimulated by it through watching porn. We inflict the stimulation when we GO to porn, when there isn't anything else to do. This is of course their excuse. There is always something to do. To the extent that the average male masturbates, 1 to 7 or 8 times a day for instance is an excess and can only be attributed to watching and being stimulated by pornographic images. Not wasting your time with porn in itself does not preclude masturbation anyway. if someone is honestly horny he knows how to relieve himself, we've done for thousands of years now believe me. The only time I can imagine pornography becoming preferable to sex is if one were having really bad sex. Sometimes a preference for pornography over one’s partner signifies a lack of compatibility, an inattentive partner, or an inept partner. This is hardly pornography’s fault. Pornography can also make the person feel comfortable as he can achieve the release that he desires without having to face the troubles of his marriage. If he wasn't getting laid and he wasn't becoming "fulfilled" with porn for instance, perhaps he'd put an end to his relationship with an incompatible partner and seek other avenues to exercise his need more productively. Men are here to have sex and bring pleasure to women. not sit on a chair with their dicks in their hands and WHAT ABOUT women...alone at home on saturday night reading a romantic novel, fantasizing about having a man there to hold them. You're a woman, you know what I mean. If someone were so pathetic that he would willingly give up sex in favor of jacking off to pornography, such a wanker (literally!) would probably lack sexual prowess and emotional depth. All the better that he remain alone, then, neither inflicting his immaturity on a partner nor spreading his inferior genes. No, because he lacks sexual prowess and emotional depth in this stage of his life, we don't banish him into hell and say he deserves to watch porn. We say he should quit porn and seek women and improve. That is the right attitude. Many of such " immature, antisocial and so called inferior genes" in your eyes have been some of the most intelligent men of science in history. Einstein has a lot of sexual prowess does he? Nerds, geeks and that whole bunch, they're antisocial yes they don't know anything about women, losers in the eyes of the world, but I say they should be helped so they too can experience real life. As many people have already set out to do. There's a wealth of knowledge and self help information that emphasizes the very point that " it doesn't matter what you are now, you can get there". I believe that one is not fit to share oneself with another until one knows oneself. Pornography can help a virgin explore his own sexuality so that he understands his own needs, desires, fantasies, etc and can thus let his partner know what he likes. Two partners who know themselves will get to know one another much better. okay, so he should know himself better. He can learn through experimentation with a girlfriend. Isn't it so much more beautiful to learn about such things through real interaction with someone he likes and he's interested in rather than watching a bunch of ugly apes pounding into delicate petite females; and this is supposed to be a healthy influence for the poor virgin who knows nothing about sex.What kind of exploration of the self is voyeuring into another man having sex with a woman, while he eagerly watches and releases himself. A man does not confine himself to such a lowly behaviour and I can bet you there's not a lot of men learning much about themselves instead it seems through interviews I've listened to personally that they are motivated to be more aggressive, more abusive towards women. i.e. cumming on a woman's face. Anal sex, previously uncared about and now it's like hitting the jackpot.isn't it? Do we really want that? or did overuse of porn make us feel that this is how real men are supposed to be or degrading women is really the way to be. It's like advertising, the media will tell you enough times that if you buy whatever gym equipment you'll get the 6 pack all women desire and you buy it. This is the fallacy and the naivete in man himself to buy the product and reflects nothing about the truth of the product said. And, as Master Satanis and tentaclednephilim noted, pornography can be educational (though it is vital one distinguish between fantasy and reality). One can explore fetishes and acts through pornography that one may otherwise be unaware of. I’ve learned a lot about my own sexuality through porn, and it helps contribute to both my own gratification and my appeal—the self-aware partner is more fun to be with. You said people should explore fetishes through experimentation, but many of my current fetishes would never have occurred to me without pornography. You're going to have to elaborate on how pornography has made you grown. And even if you did still you may have come across the same or perhaps more pure realizations about yourself had you not become tainted by the influence of pornography aka the accepted norm of what people like. What kind of kinky hotblooded girl are you anyway? Pornography is fake. the actors look false and their orgasms are false and there is very little of truth reflected in a clip of porn. You see a woman being pounded by a guy for an hour and behind the scenes they have to stop the shot hundreds of times because the guy is about the cum. the woman is uncomfortable because her asshole is bleeding.. I wouldn't consider Ted Bundy a representative example of “mature people.” There were any number of factors that contributed to his abnormal development, including abusive relatives and a family history of severe mental illness. Why, of all things, would you identify pornography alone as the deciding factor that caused him to become what he was? It's because he himself attributed his unfortunate growth and hurtful decision to the use of pornography, that's where that one is sourced. There are interviews on Bundy. Mental illness is common to the entire population in its various forms. Man is a machine and his exposure to misguiding and false media should be prohibited. Requesting source for this. Even if you could demonstrate that excessive consumption of pornography warped one’s perception of reality, that would identify the vice as excess, not the porn itself. As Priest of Rl’yeh Ego Diabolus already said, anything can be addictive. It's an addictive substance (a drug as referred to by many), because sex is such a powerful drive. You need to understand male sexuality a little bit more before you gain a thorough understanding of how pornography is in fact polluting the minds of men unknowingly. Watch some documentaries on youtube. here's a link for some information and sources for you to indulge yourself with if you're actually curious and you're not just here to bla bla prove yourself right and feel good. Besides, this seems to be a confusion of cause and effect. People with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder wash their hands excessively. This doesn’t mean that hand-washing causes their OCD; rather, the hand-washing is a symptom of their problem. Porn addiction, similarly, could be a result, not a cause, of mental illness. so with this theory, it is not heroine that makes me addicted but I, who becomes addicted to heroine. it's not heroine's fault. Are you really going to be so naive? When one masturbates, the brain releases a low level output of endorphins after orgasm. When one has sex, the brain releases a massive cocktail of endorphins, oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, norephinephrine, nitric oxide, etc that signify a higher degree of both physical and emotional fulfillment. There are enough powerful feedbacks in the human neural system to encourage sex over masturbation. If there weren’t, we would have gone extinct aeons ago. Yeah if the guy is actually getting laid which most people realistically are not. As long as we haven't flown first class, or the other alternative is not flying at all, man CONVINCES himself to ride coach! It is the battering wife syndrome, where you become interested in something and define your whole reality around that one thing, gaining comfort. Fearing that the loss of that thing will result in sadness, loneliness and depression. This is something that REAL people out there are battling with, get informed please. Gaining comfort is a cardinal sin in the work of awakening as satanis has kindly noted numerous times in reference to works such as the fourth way. Porn is that comfort space, where you can achieve orgasm without having to actually be social and to engage a lady with whom you could potentially mate with. I don’t doubt that, but what makes you think pornography is the cause? Could it be the stigma against promiscuity? Could it be emotional attachment to a single partner? Could it be fear of disease, unwanted pregnancy, roasting in hell for adultery/lust, and buyer’s remorse? Why single out pornography as the culprit of this phenomenon? Unwanted pregnancy? you think a guy will stop having sex because he's afraid he might have a child, do you know anything about men at all? it's called using a condom, maybe taking a pill. How do I know? I speak to hundreds of men a day in my seminars, in one on one interactions talking about their innermost doubts and fears. Let me tell you pornography is not the only cause of this "phenomenon" But it is the only thing creating an actual replacement ( I'm discounting toys because I think it fulfills a much smaller populace in comparison), an attraction for any male to indulge and release his "urge to mate" - his natural urge to procreate for stimulation to something unreal and non personal. There seems to be a powerful association between the term “eugenics” and Nazis in our culture. While I understand why people think this, the reputation is undeserved. It would make about as much sense to claim that vegetarianism is a Nazi ideology since Hitler espoused it. The issue on eugenics was quite intelligible and thorough. We agree here and any other inconsistencies have already been addressed. The cruelty of the Nazi design and what the cthulu cult postulates with eugenics are not the same but are similar in that they both promote the evolution of man. Hitler being biased to the aryan race and the cthulu with the "dark man"- the man who has become conscious through personal as well as other group efforts. I don't think the cthulu eugenics is specific about the race or biology or anything like that, I think it focuses more on the developing man contributing to the future of his generation by mating as opposed to the sleeping man doing the same, leading to a consciously devolving situation for mankind, actually working against the purpose of the work we study in the cthulu. Please add anything needs be added here satanis and others involved with the work, as the book Liber AO is not specific on this eugenic point. If there is much more to disprove what has been said, I’d actually like to see that. You haven’t really directly addressed any of the replies; instead, you’ve restated and elaborated on your original point. That’s not a rebuttal. I did not see the responses received as deserving an intelligible reply, much of which were simply personal attacks on imagined character flaws by the gentleman whom I responded to. As for it getting personal, your statements about the nature of pornography reflect your understanding and perspective of it. If your perspective is this narrow, it does reflect a certain lack of experience or ignorance on your part. I initially thought Master Diabolus was being a bit harsh in his reply, but after reading your persistent insistence I’m inclined to say it was appropriate. That's your business. Hopefully I've broadened your views today with what I've replied you with here. The initial forum posts were meant to engage intelligible preferrably males to bring forth personal experiences and engage in debate about the necessity of pornography simultaneous with the practises of the order. Any further ideas in this area that can enlighten will be helpful. I don't doubt that there are adult actresses who are somewhat coerced or manipulated, and there are probably many who regret their participation in porn. But issues with working conditions in the industry do not necessarily reflect on the product itself. If we discovered that grapefruits were grown on a slave plantation, would that prove that grapefruits are evil, or that there was an unethical agricultural group growing grapefruits? The purpose of the statement was to show and bring light to the point that not only is point destructive to the viewers who are becoming addicted, losing interest in real intimacy, emotional growth etc and devaluing personal experimentation. It is also harming the people involved and it's not setting a very good example of what sex is or how it should be enjoyed. If what we saw in porn were real fetishes fine, but if there's a decline in profits one year and all of a sudden we're making girls eat shit out of a cup for added pay, there seems to be a declining progression. We are becoming more and more interested in the EXTREME porn because we can no longer get off by enjoying the experience of porn and now there's horses fucking women up the ass. As for bestiality, I think Dan Savage put it best: If I were a sheep, I'd rather be screwed than stewed. We do a lot of things to animals that they probably wouldn't consent to, like, gee, eating and wearing them. Are you seriously advocating having sex with animals? and Are you equating eating animals for survival to fucking them? You are a disturbed woman. This HAS to be personal here. I will add nothing here to rebuttal you, because I think you're just putting this idea forth to rebuttal me and sound smart quoting some asshole no one ever heard of. but be what it may be. Moving on! There are also many adult actresses (and other sex workers) who love their jobs (Sasha Grey, for instance). In addition, many women enjoy acts such as being gangbanged, double penetrated (in any orifice), humiliated, degraded, beaten, bound, or bruised. Who are you to tell these women that they can't have what they like? This seems to be an echo of this thread. sounds like pretty sick individuals who need treatment. You say we should motivate them and give them freedom to have sex, be humiliated, degraded, drink the semen of many strange men because they need money. It's really about money at the end of the day when a girl is doing a double anal or having sex with many men. She can't possibly have any affinity for these men. Why abuse your body in ways never again recovered. You know that anus will shit in your pants anytime and any place with no correctly tight muscles after years of use in this abusive way and you say we should let them do what they want. Just like we should let the drug addicts do heroine until they die, because who are we to tell him not to. And let the murderer kill who he wants, because that's what he feels like he needs to do to get the release he so desperately needs. Well I say no, and I say fuck people who don't want to support their brotherhood and fuck those who would be careless as to promote the absurdity of indulging in self pleasuring as a regular resolve and replacement to sex. What is ridiculous is that you think women in porn actually choose or want this treatment. The industry has standards sweetheart; 20 years ago anal was taboo and now if you want to get paid right you need to do a lot more that you're going to have to get used to and poor, misguided, naive women submit to it in the name of Money, not in the name of freedom. Again inform yourself in this area, read some books about pornography, check out some documentaries. Hopefully you will understand that the harm that this industry has caused mankind much too largely outweighs its benefits such as instruction in what positions you should get into. Thank you. Awake![/quote]
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 6, 2010 10:51:44 GMT -6
Hahaahahahahahahahahaaaa!
By the way, learn to use the quote system on the forum. Always a good idea to preview your post before hitting "reply".
Ok, I'm personally done with this thread. How people choose to use, explore, or understand any part of their sexuality is up to the individual. The Cult of Cthulhu doesn't want to regulate the amount of porn watched. I also don't think it benefits anyone to delineate the lines between erotica, porn, and obscenity since as a Left Hand Path movement we are in favor allowing every form of personal expression. How many times a dude or broad masturbates, to what material or fantasy, and how many sexual partners are involved... all that is entirely subjective, as well as, none of my god damn business.
Feel free to keep arguing or discussing the topic, but the CoC is not making any kind of policy or determination on that type of thing as long as I'm alive (except for the reiteration of my statement in Liber A:O that young children are never to be involved in sex or sexual material).
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu [/size][/color]
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Post by xiaogui17 on Oct 6, 2010 12:35:17 GMT -6
I'm going to second Master Satanis's "preview" and "learn to use the quote feature" sentiments. I honestly think this is a waste of time, as you're clearly set in your way of thinking, but for the record's sake... The urge to have sex in itself is meant to be a motivation to mate and be in touch with the opposite sex, while releasing the urge leads to the lack of desire to be with women, besides many other arrays of destructive behaviour commonly known to exist with men such as the loss of confidence necessary to contact women, hair loss, weakness of joints over consistent use and premature ejaculation. As for sex being a motivation to mate, I'd really rather a man valued me as a person and not just as a poon. If sexual frustration is the only driving factor in leading men to be with women, then essentially what we are is nothing but cum dumpsters. As for hair loss and joint weakness, whatever happening to going blind and hairy palms? This one is new. Again, requesting source for this. As for premature ejaculation, men who jack off less develop hypersensitivity and are more likely to cum early. To the extent that the average male masturbates, 1 to 7 or 8 times a day for instance is an excess and can only be attributed to watching and being stimulated by pornographic images. Not wasting your time with porn in itself does not preclude masturbation anyway. if someone is honestly horny he knows how to relieve himself, we've done for thousands of years now believe me. If you're not opposed to masturbation, what's so evil about using something to assist the process? We've had porn for thousands of years, too. It's present in cave paintings, ancient manuscripts, etc. Men are here to have sex and bring pleasure to women. You forgot about opening tough jars, killing spiders, and paying the bills. Seriously, isn't there more to life than that? ...and WHAT ABOUT women...alone at home on saturday night reading a romantic novel, fantasizing about having a man there to hold them. You're a woman, you know what I mean. Actually I prefer porn to romantic novels, myself. I do read the occasional erotic novel, but I wouldn't call The Chronicles of Gor or The Story of O particularly romantic, by the common definition of the term. I'm also sexually active and perfectly happy, so no, I don't see the use of porn leading to some cataclysmic downward spiral as you suggest. No, because he lacks sexual prowess and emotional depth in this stage of his life, we don't banish him into hell and say he deserves to watch porn. I disagree. I used to think I could help immature men get their lives in order through love and devotion, and I learned the hard way that an idiot who lives in his mom's basement eating Cheetos and playing video games all day as a fully grown, unemployed, uneducated adult isn't going to miraculously become a Rhodes scholar through the love of a dedicated woman. Sorry, but some people really are born losers. Einstein has a lot of sexual prowess does he? Nerds, geeks and that whole bunch, they're antisocial yes they don't know anything about women, losers in the eyes of the world, but I say they should be helped so they too can experience real life. There is a massive difference between a geek and a loser. Geeks are some of my favorite people to fuck, and I'd consider myself a geek. Loser is a whole other kettle of fish. okay, so he should know himself better. He can learn through experimentation with a girlfriend. What part of knowing oneself PRIOR to sharing oneself did you not get? Anal sex, previously uncared about and now it's like hitting the jackpot.isn't it? What on earth makes you think anal sex was previously uncared for? It's been practiced for centuries. Anal sex? Yes, please. You're going to have to elaborate on how pornography has made you grown. I would, but you might find my personal story arousing, and then it would be pornography, wouldn't it? And even if you did still you may have come across the same or perhaps more pure realizations about yourself had you not become tainted by the influence of pornography aka the accepted norm of what people like. Most of the pornography that appeals to me isn't "the accepted norm." Siliconed blondes with too much makeup faking orgasms and really bad plots and dialogue have never been my dish. What kind of kinky hotblooded girl are you anyway? The irony is that the answer is built into that question. Pornography is fake. the actors look false and their orgasms are false and there is very little of truth reflected in a clip of porn. You see a woman being pounded by a guy for an hour and behind the scenes they have to stop the shot hundreds of times because the guy is about the cum. the woman is uncomfortable because her asshole is bleeding.. As opposed to what other form of "real" media? It's because he himself attributed his unfortunate growth and hurtful decision to the use of pornography, that's where that one is sourced. I don't think psychopaths are in a position to diagnose, treat, or determine the cause of their own madness. If they were, there would be no need for mental institutions or psychiatrists. It's an addictive substance (a drug as referred to by many), because sex is such a powerful drive. You need to understand male sexuality a little bit more before you gain a thorough understanding of how pornography is in fact polluting the minds of men unknowingly. If I didn't understand male sexuality as well as I do, I wouldn't have the manipulative power I now hold. It's precisely because I get male sexuality much better than most women that I'm able to use it for my purposes. Watch some documentaries on youtube. here's a link for some information and sources for you to indulge yourself with if you're actually curious and you're not just here to bla bla prove yourself right and feel good. I asked for evidence. That video is more dramatization and unsubstantiated claims than fact. "Once you get a taste of it, you cannot have enough of pornography." Yeah, you could say the same of oxygen. Or water. Or sex itself. so with this theory, it is not heroine that makes me addicted but I, who becomes addicted to heroine. it's not heroine's fault. Are you really going to be so naive? It's a simple matter of demographics. What percentage of people who use heroin develop an addiction? It's a substantial proportion. What percentage of people who use pornography develop an addiction? It's much lower, unless you define porn addiction so broadly and vaguely that most anyone would qualify. Yeah if the guy is actually getting laid which most people realistically are not. Are you serious? The average 18 to 24 year old American (including virgins) has had 5 sexual partners. In what universe are you living in which most people are not getting laid? Unwanted pregnancy? you think a guy will stop having sex because he's afraid he might have a child, do you know anything about men at all? Who said anything about men? Could it be that WOMEN refuse to sleep with men because they fear unwanted pregnancy? it's called using a condom, maybe taking a pill. Many religions have stigmas against birth control. I did not see the responses received as deserving an intelligible reply I don't see why not, though this perhaps explains why you haven't given an intelligible reply. That's your business. Hopefully I've broadened your views today with what I've replied you with here. Telling me that I'm sick and need help when I consider myself perfectly happy isn't exactly the best way to go about convincing me to open my mind and "broaden my views." The purpose of the statement was to show and bring light to the point that not only is point destructive to the viewers who are becoming addicted, (...which you have in no way established) It is also harming the people involved and it's not setting a very good example of what sex is or how it should be enjoyed. It's not harming ALL the people involved. For that matter, who are you to say how sex should be enjoyed? What gives you the license to define healthy sexuality? If what we saw in porn were real fetishes fine, but if there's a decline in profits one year and all of a sudden we're making girls eat shit out of a cup for added pay, there seems to be a declining progression. Coprophagia isn't a real fetish? It certainly isn't my cup of tea, but it obviously appeals to some. Are you seriously advocating having sex with animals? and Are you equating eating animals for survival to fucking them? You are a disturbed woman. This HAS to be personal here. I will add nothing here to rebuttal you, because I think you're just putting this idea forth to rebuttal me and sound smart quoting some asshole no one ever heard of. but be what it may be. Moving on! ADVOCATING having sex with animals would be encouraging it. I'm not in any way advocating it; I simply don't think, of all the horrendous things going on in the world, that some girl fucking a dog is the worst thing out there. Preventing bestiality is low on my list of priorities; I've got better thinks to do than worry about a shepherd screwing a sheep. Get some perspective. With genocide, mutilation, landmines dismembering children, epidemics, and natural disasters, some girl with a horse is hardly the worst thing in the world. And eating animals is not necessary for survival, I can assure you: I was vegan for years. I no longer am, but I survived just fine without meat. So don't make the appeal that eating animals is a necessity but fucking them isn't: both are matters of preference. sounds like pretty sick individuals who need treatment. Again, who are you to say that? What makes you the grand poobah of what is, and is not, appropriate or normal sexuality? It's really about money at the end of the day when a girl is doing a double anal or having sex with many men. She can't possibly have any affinity for these men. I've done plenty of the things you seem to find horrendous, for free. So no, it's not just about money. And yes, one can possibly have affinity. I'm sorry, you aren't any more familiar with my own proclivities than I myself am. Why abuse your body in ways never again recovered. You know that anus will shit in your pants anytime and any place with no correctly tight muscles after years of use in this abusive way and you say we should let them do what they want. I've been having anal sex for about 8 years now, and I am yet to shit my pants. Even anal virgins often lose the elasticity of their sphincter in old age. If you really think that anal sex leads to incontinence, you better have some hard evidence to back up this outlandish claim. And let the murderer kill who he wants, because that's what he feels like he needs to do to get the release he so desperately needs. There is a world of difference between the right to do what one wants with ONE'S OWN body and violating the rights of others. I'm not advocating rape. What is ridiculous is that you think women in porn actually choose or want this treatment. I've enjoyed what I've done, and I sincerely doubt I'm the sole one who does. The industry has standards sweetheart; 20 years ago anal was taboo and now if you want to get paid right you need to do a lot more that you're going to have to get used to and poor, misguided, naive women submit to it in the name of Money, not in the name of freedom. Sex workers don't need you as their advocate. They speak for themselves well enough. Again inform yourself in this area, read some books about pornography, check out some documentaries. Experience is the best teacher. Books can say anything, true or untrue. They've obviously deluded you. I am so done here. You've obviously made up your mind and you're impervious to any counter-evidence. Awake!
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 6, 2010 12:35:28 GMT -6
Hahaahahahahahahahahaaaa!
By the way, learn to use the quote system on the forum. Always a good idea to preview your post before hitting "reply".
Ok, I'm personally done with this thread. How people choose to use, explore, or understand any part of their sexuality is up to the individual. The Cult of Cthulhu doesn't want to regulate the amount of porn watched. I also don't think it benefits anyone to delineate the lines between erotica, porn, and obscenity since as a Left Hand Path movement we are in favor allowing every form of personal expression. How many times a dude or broad masturbates, to what material or fantasy, and how many sexual partners are involved... all that is entirely subjective, as well as, none of my god damn business.
Feel free to keep arguing or discussing the topic, but the CoC is not making any kind of policy or determination on that type of thing as long as I'm alive (except for the reiteration of my statement in Liber A:O that young children are never to be involved in sex or sexual material).
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
[/size][/color] [/quote] Brother Satanis, I agree that there should be no delineation for what people should do mostly because people also do seek freedom within whatever order they may be a part of ; it's our natural desire! Also if it goes against their beliefs, they will do what they think is right anyway. The issue that I took even in the first place with Liber AO and needed clarification for was in your motivation and in the encouraging of pornographic material as an idea for people to ADOPT. As if to say pornography is "good" and we support the use of it. If you argued that some could and some could not benefit from it or under what conditions as you are now saying " it's none of your business and you don't care how people use it" it would be different. The free use of porno, by itself, without a correct frame of mind and external guidance ( being a part of an order, group, a solid group of friends) can and most likely will lead to corruption based upon everything already mentioned. Needless to say the book is not specific on what it means in any particular terms by its claims or how the use of porno is to benefit the individual. This was partly expanded here in such discussions that an individual can for instance explore various fetishes normally inaccessible, through the mind. That is great but does it really outweight the destruction that it unleashes on mankind, I don't think it does. It's like a friend of mine once said, everything in moderation can be useful, even the minutest use of crack cocaine IF used right and by the right person. But I would never want EVERYONE who follows my order to take on using crack cocaine and being misguided and neither would you. Awake Cthulu dreams
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 6, 2010 14:50:28 GMT -6
I'm going to second Master Satanis's "preview" and "learn to use the quote feature" sentiments. I honestly think this is a waste of time, as you're clearly set in your way of thinking, but for the record's sake... Yeah you seem very open minded. All I see you do is try to bash me and have very little to prove other than use the argument of "who are you to say..." ignoring all the facts and evidence pointed to. This will maybe make no difference for you in your life but hopefully for other people that will read this thread it may mean something. This is why I write what I write now. As for sex being a motivation to mate, I'd really rather a man valued me as a person and not just as a poon. If sexual frustration is the only driving factor in leading men to be with women, then essentially what we are is nothing but cum dumpsters. what you're valued like depends on yourself and how you present yourself. This is instinct that sex feels good and therefore we do it. It is the most powerful primal urge that brings a man to a woman at the end of the day. A man may learn to be self sufficient, to get by with the company of friends but his sex drive will eventually remind him again and again to go get a girl just like it did with animals, our ancestors.It's not saying you're a cum dumpster, well maybe you are, but the point is sex is more likely than not the reason why a man comes to a woman on a primal level before a relationship is even formed. As for hair loss and joint weakness, whatever happening to going blind and hairy palms? This one is new. Again, requesting source for this. As for premature ejaculation, men who jack off less develop hypersensitivity and are more likely to cum early. hair loss and masturbation. read this article www.library.ayurvediccure.com/over-masturbation/masturbation-cause-hair-loss.htmBecause a man has a one track mind when masturbating, they are only concerned with climaxing, and don't really care about making self pleasure last longer. Consequently, what can happen over time is that a man becomes too sensitive to sexual stimulation and gets in the habit of prematurely ejaculating without even wanting to. This is the reason why masturbation leads to premature ejaculation and this is why I've been advocating the real experiment to getting off on your own. There are numerous other downfalls that accompany the endeavours of the masturbating man. If you're not opposed to masturbation, what's so evil about using something to assist the process? We've had porn for thousands of years, too. It's present in cave paintings, ancient manuscripts, etc. With pornography you are a lot lot more stimulated to masturbate and release yourself because we GO to porn to fill in the void. Like I said if you really are horny then you will find a way to relieve yourself, but if you're bored, confused, lost and turn to porn for stimulation you will masturbate more than your body will want being under the influence of this drug. You forgot about opening tough jars, killing spiders, and paying the bills. Seriously, isn't there more to life than that? yeah hopefully you're not wasting it away on masturbation. If you're finding a relationship and connecting with women then there is a whole world of things that become important. Actually I prefer porn to romantic novels, myself. I do read the occasional erotic novel, but I wouldn't call The Chronicles of Gor or The Story of O particularly romantic, by the common definition of the term. I'm also sexually active and perfectly happy, so no, I don't see the use of porn leading to some cataclysmic downward spiral as you suggest. Like I said before the bodies of males and females work differently and my comment is in support of men quitting porn and seeking real women and not give in to the idea that they're losers and they deserve to masturbate, like you've been teaching us here. Besides it is the role of a man in 99 percent of relationships that they are initiated to begin with, women play the passive quite role until they get picked. Don't argue me on this. You have to consider the entire population before you can make a case and not go on saying I don't have a problem with heroine so everyone is allowed to be free to use it. I disagree. I used to think I could help immature men get their lives in order through love and devotion, and I learned the hard way that an idiot who lives in his mom's basement eating Cheetos and playing video games all day as a fully grown, unemployed, uneducated adult isn't going to miraculously become a Rhodes scholar through the love of a dedicated woman. Sorry, but some people really are born losers. No one asked you to help anyone, I doubt you could. The point is we shouldn't advocate a substance that causes more harm than good within the greater picture. There are no "born" losers. your perception is flawed. Every man and every woman is a star. Unfortunately the terribly difficult circumstances of life is mercyless towards a large population of people, leaving them alone with their confusion and misguidance. Being abused, mistaught, feared as children, because the parents of those children went through same treatments by their parents and so on. This isn't to say a person who hasn't learned will never learn, they just haven't had the right influence. There is a massive difference between a geek and a loser. Geeks are some of my favorite people to fuck, and I'd consider myself a geek. Loser is a whole other kettle of fish. Loser in terms of dating women and having successful relationships is the beta man. An alpha will share intimate relationships with numerous women and experiments with all that he chooses. Most people are not alpha. Geeks are not alpha and they don't get laid a lot in comparison. What part of knowing oneself PRIOR to sharing oneself did you not get? Whatever relationship you may be in is not the END ALL. it takes time to know what you like. For many people this starts from when they start to fool around with girls at their high school and by the time they mature and get older, know a lot more about themselves. There is no reason to know EVERYTHING before whatever relationship you may be in now and nobody expects that. One important benefit about a relationship is that it allows a person to explore themselves and their partners learning more in a discrete, personal and open light. This is what should be aimed at rather than condemning an individual to loneliness and masturbation. Clearly you can pick out the superior method between the two. Other than fetishes and things like that, a man can learn a lot more with a woman than by himself. Women experience sex on a variety of levels more than men do and defenitely if they get in touch with themselves in those ways it helps boost their stimulation during sex. The influence of porno in any case is unnecessary, you can have those experiences on your own. What on earth makes you think anal sex was previously uncared for? It's been practiced for centuries. Porn has popularized anal sex to the point that every man thinks he's a winner if he gets anal and almost every woman will resist anal sex for a long time before giving in. Unless she's a dirty whore and men are wise to avoid those girls if just for the sake of keeping themselves clean from any possible infection. You say you love anal sex and you've had it for 8 years: in your defence you've been watching porn for a lot longer than that. I wouldn't need to be very bold to assume you're living under the influences of those images you've come into contact with and now defend for. I would, but you might find my personal story arousing, and then it would be pornography, wouldn't it?. Don't worry, you couldn't possibly arouse me. 8 years of anal sex and you like banging geeks. is there that many anal banging geeks out there? this girl is challenging history, facts, reality and all for what? to say men should watch porn. Perhaps it is because you enjoy being abused, humiliated and treated like a slut that makes you want guys to learn from porn how to treat women, like you've been learning how " you like" to be treated. Most of the pornography that appeals to me isn't "the accepted norm." Siliconed blondes with too much makeup faking orgasms and really bad plots and dialogue have never been my dish.. Yeah there's a picture of you up there. I think based on what you say and what you look like I can put the pieces together for myself. Really messed up, psycho, rubber wearing, ball busting, bdsm nipple torturing, bottom spanking, anal beading, male gagballing and wearing big black strap ons. that's your daily dish. don't lie. The irony is that the answer is built into that question.. NO the irony is that the question was rhetorical. wow this is new for you. isn't it? a question that doesn't require an answer. AMAZING! I don't think psychopaths are in a position to diagnose, treat, or determine the cause of their own madness. If they were, there would be no need for mental institutions or psychiatrists. WEll he's a smart educated man who gave in to his urges. He's not a mad psycho. He's intelligible and honest enough to share with the world what mistake he made for the sake that others won't have to. He was able to personally trace his wrong deeds to his early influences with porn during his reflection in prison and realizes he was wrong. I don't think any doctor, (perhaps maybe a hypnotist could), could draw such conclusions on concrete grounds other than the person who committed the deed himself. If I didn't understand male sexuality as well as I do, I wouldn't have the manipulative power I now hold. It's precisely because I get male sexuality much better than most women that I'm able to use it for my purposes. Women are master manipulators and that goes to give no credit to you knowing much about male sexuality and internal functioning of the physiological operations. Women instinctively not this information as a way to find the most suitable male to bear them children.This is one man however that you cannot manipulate for I know the truth and I'm here to let other men know to not buy into porno and live free and live for real, not in their illusions about what women are and how they need to be treated. Learn that by interaction not by example. I asked for evidence. That video is more dramatization and unsubstantiated claims than fact. "Once you get a taste of it, you cannot have enough of pornography." Yeah, you could say the same of oxygen. Or water. Or sex itself. It's a valid source. There's doctors speaking in there as well as facts and statistics and real people giving tesimonials as to how porn has affected their minds. Oxygen and water are for survival, we couldn't live without them. Without fantasy, we find reality. Destroy porn and find real women and be with real women. That is the only way to live. It's a simple matter of demographics. What percentage of people who use heroin develop an addiction? It's a substantial proportion. What percentage of people who use pornography develop an addiction? It's much lower, unless you define porn addiction so broadly and vaguely that most anyone would qualify. The use of pornography is just like using any hardcore drug, watch that video. It is because sex is such a powerful influence and the body becomes extremely energized and the neurons in the brain so strongly stimulated during the viewing of porn that this leads to a much higher likelihood for addiction than alcohol, than marijuana and many other commonly used drugs. Nevertheless the use of porn should not be advocated if it harms us in anyway, wouldn't you agree? I mean we don't advocate heroin or even alcohol, so why support pornography if it's causing similar problems as most available drugs do. Again watch the documentary called A DRUG CALLED PORNOGRAPHY for more detail on this matter, i'm not going to spell out everything here for you to get it. Are you serious? The average 18 to 24 year old American (including virgins) has had 5 sexual partners. In what universe are you living in which most people are not getting laid? ya 5 partners for some over 6 years. that's not great. That's just being in relationship. Even one night stands count. Unfortunately statistics preclude the depth of interaction between people and only get their information from a group of targeted individuals. Many religions have stigmas against birth control. Many religions have stigmas against having sex before marriage. WE are in the cthulu forum and you've been giving ass for 8 years, so why not be realistic with what we're saying. My purpose is not to argue but to inform, and to defend truth. I don't see why not, though this perhaps explains why you haven't given an intelligible reply.. usual non productive ball busting. Telling me that I'm sick and need help when I consider myself perfectly happy isn't exactly the best way to go about convincing me to open my mind and "broaden my views.". I was talking about women in porn. I don't even know you. Granted that's not the way to broaden your views. That's true. (...which you have in no way established) Clearly I did establish that and you agreed in your previous post. It is explaining how it's not a great environment for the people in porn. I don't doubt that there are adult actresses who are somewhat coerced or manipulated, and there are probably many who regret their participation in porn. But issues with working conditions in the industry do not necessarily reflect on the product itself. If we discovered that grapefruits were grown on a slave plantation, would that prove that grapefruits are evil, or that there was an unethical agricultural group growing grapefruits? Coprophagia isn't a real fetish? It certainly isn't my cup of tea, but it obviously appeals to some. you even surprised me with that. ADVOCATING having sex with animals would be encouraging it. I'm not in any way advocating it; I simply don't think, of all the horrendous things going on in the world, that some girl fucking a dog is the worst thing out there. Preventing bestiality is low on my list of priorities; I've got better thinks to do than worry about a shepherd screwing a sheep. Get some perspective. With genocide, mutilation, landmines dismembering children, epidemics, and natural disasters, some girl with a horse is hardly the worst thing in the world. You're getting off track. Nobody is saying it's the worst thing. You're the one quoting dan faggot. savage whatever to say if you were an animal you'd rather get screwed than get stewed. Like saying it's not that bad. go ahead if you want. As a side note, Yeah I bet all a porn watching nymph like you is thinking about is genocide and landmines. But in perspective, this topic isn't supposed to demonstrate THE WORST thing in the world. It just so happens to be the MAIN topic of the forum which you have subscribed to. In no way have I claimed the importance of this to be above and beyond all other things. But in its own right pornography is devastating the life of many men who should be living life and having a LOT more sex with a lot more women than they are. That's the fact. And eating animals is not necessary for survival, I can assure you: I was vegan for years. I no longer am, but I survived just fine without meat. So don't make the appeal that eating animals is a necessity but fucking them isn't: both are matters of preference. Don't get me started on vegans. Again i'm talking about MEN and the necessity of MAN to survive depends a lot on what he consumes and his diet better include meat. Fucking animals on the other hand is inhumane, abusive, unnecessary and hints at mental disease. If any person is choosing a furry sheep over a woman, he needs a cum dumpster not a person to bond with sexually. In your defence though, there are women like that out there still that just want to be fucked and give away diseases which then goes again to show how unnecessary and futile having sex with animals is. Unless maybe if you're stranded on an island and there's no access to any woman for years on end and you can't control yourself. I'm talking about some of the geeks you've been dating. lol I've done plenty of the things you seem to find horrendous, for free. So no, it's not just about money. And yes, one can possibly have affinity. I'm sorry, you aren't any more familiar with my own proclivities than I myself am. You don't make yourself look very good with what you say. You're saying because you do what pornstars give into in the name of money, you do for free and this is somehow making you feel like a winner, is it? imagine all the money you could be getting paid. seriously. If you're going to be a slut and sleep around and do all sorts of "horrendous" things like you say you do, just go be in porn. I've been having anal sex for about 8 years now, and I am yet to shit my pants. Even anal virgins often lose the elasticity of their sphincter in old age. If you really think that anal sex leads to incontinence, you better have some hard evidence to back up this outlandish claim. First of all it's coming don't worry. Second of all the extremity presented in porn can in no way be paralleled in your real life, even if you tell me I don't know what kind of animals you sleep with. What are the demographics of anal virgins losing elacsticity in their sphincter compared with girls that are taking two black dicks in their 3 or 4 times a week for 20 years. There is a world of difference between the right to do what one wants with ONE'S OWN body and violating the rights of others. I'm not advocating rape. Good. I was afraid where you were going to draw the line. Rape results a lot of times when men get built up and excited enough with porn and one day decide they have to have the real thing. Again there is real rapists in that video attesting to this phenomena. One in specific put a knife to a girl's throat and took her out of town, in a wooded area and forced her into submission. He goes to explain he was so out of it, being under the influence of porn that he didn't see or understand that he was harming the girl and all he could see was that the girl was smiling and happy to give him head, like he had seen in movies. This is the delusion that men get into after becoming even slightly distanced with reality and when they give into the temptations of pornography and the stimulation they receive. Sex workers don't need you as their advocate. They speak for themselves well enough. Like any pornstar is going to say they hate what they do and they need help? they are people like that and that's after they've already come to their senses and quit porn. Again there was a powerful testimony of a woman's struggle in the porno industry and the terrible circumstances she had to face because she didn't know any better. Her parents didn't love her, she needed money, etc. Experience is the best teacher. Books can say anything, true or untrue. They've obviously deluded you. I am so done here. You've obviously made up your mind and you're impervious to any counter-evidence. Is experience the best teacher or is watching porn. You need to make up your mind. Becoming informed is a different thing. You don't need to get an std before you know you should wear condom. You should wear one because you are well informed beforehand. Awake![/quote]
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 6, 2010 15:30:55 GMT -6
well you have made the assumption that most people can tell the difference between false and real. It is not an assumption. The vast majority of people do not exhibit the clinical psychosis or neurosis you go on to sight.
As I already stated, the extreme examples of addiction and the associated behaviors do not represent the average. Did you actually read anything, or just skim through it?
it is not the extreme, it actually is a lot more common than you would know to think The sources have been linked in other posts. I hope you're not too lazy to look them up and educate yourself. These same triggers are experienced during sexual arousal of any sort, even with a regular partner. You have an issue with porn, but not with sex, yet sexual addiction is equally as prevalent in our society. Again, you are using the extreme few to try to regulate the behavior of the majority. Flawed logic. You can become addicted to a lot of things. Similarly I don't question that you can become addicted to sex. The issue of concern is to remove the influence of those things that are artificial and misguide us. In this case pornography deludes men as to what women want, because a group of males behind the scenes are setting up extreme standards to stimulate men into purchasing their products, because the sales are dropping every year. Just like marijuana, heroine, cocaine and other substances that can potentially bring about addictions, misguidance, confusion and a weakened level of judgment, pornography must be prohibited. At least it shouldn't be promoted. It is your argument to prove, not mine. Point to your research, gives us the links to the credible sources that support your argument that demonstrates that pornography addiction afflicts the majority and that the majority are not satisfied sexually. Do not try to transform your original argument into a statement about polygamy. Your original post stated the following:
"Probably answers why so little of us are getting laid regularly. statistics are not in favor of the majority of people having sex."
If you cannot stay on point, then don't bother. Statistics are not in favor of majority getting laid, that's right. I read some place 5 percent of men are getting 95 percent of women. Pornography is not helping those chances. It's making the men with potential lose their vigour, masculinity and drive to seek real women and to replace their natural, and completely acceptable desires with the quick "fix" solution in porn. No matter how much you jerk off, it won't make you any more emotionally fulfilling or get you any closer to the real situation, only real efforts can do that. Responsibility can do it. Being a man will do that. The Nazis had a eugenics program. The justifiable demonization of the Nazis and their programs has resulted in the wrongful demonization of what are otherwise positive concepts. Your original statement was:
"Mind you in the cthulu cult they also believe in the "dark man" spreading his seed as often as possible and the idea of eugenics popularized by the Nazi force as a form active contribution towards the evolution of man. "
How could anyone assume anything less than an effort on your part to draw a parallel between the Nazi Party and the CoC because some of its members advocate positive eugenics? at least ten times I clarified this point for everyone. Cthulu's eugenics has similarities with that of the nazi's : the evolution of mankind with respect to their own biases. The reason why the nazis were even mentioned is because they were the first to utilize the idea of eugenics into real practise and are so well known for it as cthulu advocates we should do. This idea of eugenics is drawn from the book of LIBER AO not from some of the active members's support as you claim to think. You made the post about you, and made some outrageous assumptions about everyone else. I just pointed it out. the post wasn't about me. The purpose of it was to invite the writers and believers of pornography to elaborate their point and explain why it's even promoted. Hostile? Only in what I see as a blatant disregard for this forum and an attack on the Cult of Cthulhu and its membership. If you misspoke, and did not intend for your statements to be made in the context you made them, then choose your words more carefully.
Religious? Countering with factual arguments, real-life experience, and an honest-to-cthulhuness opinion of my own is religious? Did someone once call you "religious" and now you think it is a put-down? Look around! The Cult of Cthulhu is a bon-a-fide religion! No doubt one of its Priests will have a religious point or two to make, but I challenge you to quote the religious statement you refer to in my initial response. yes religious to me is derogatory, because people like you aren't open to any ideas that oppose the ideas of their book. Just like the christians or the jews or whoever else, you say we are right and everyone else is wrong and we fight to the tooth for those beliefs. Probably the reason why you can't discuss you ideas in the light of friendliness, openness and in a matter of discussion. I parallel your derogatory behaviour and personal accusations to that of the church condemning Galileo for speaking against the beliefs of the church. I am offended by what you said! Such awesome stupidity invokes either humor or ire, and I find nothing funny about your opinions, your delusions, or your assumptions about this forum.
okay bla bla. personal attack on me revealing your intellectual inferiority to stand a challenge. okay let's hear what else you have to say, because I'm interested. Your impressions are mistaken. Did you see a link to the Cult of Cthulhu petting zoo on the main page? Do friends often end their posts about their friends by pointing out how much they have in common with Nazis?. You really assumed that friendship was an automatic aspect of your exchange in this forum? That just underlines the awesome stupidity you continue to spew forth! Friendship must be earned. Read all the responses here, people are arguing against your point, not for it. Does friendship to you mean that any hair-brained, half-assed statement you make goes unchalleneged? The nazi thing again? and you're surprised that I say you were offended. Clearly that got under your skin. You're going to lie to me ,but can you lie to yourself? I did not claim to be your friend, nor am I seeking a friendship. Just saying in the light of ideas being exchanged and reaching a concensus. The truth right? we have to be able to speak openly and intelligibly rather than attacking each other unproductively. I can attack you personally about every flaw in every word you wrote and make you feel like shit, and at the end of the day it's done nothing at all for me or for anyone else participating in these forums. You're an administrator. Take responsibility and set an example. Who will care to share any truth here if you're going to be so hostile as to attack one of your newest members with your assessment of such imaginary flaws and delusion. I was invited here by brother satanis, if you know even the slightest bit about external consideration that your work so openly advocates you'd know better than to treat your "guests" and yes we are guests in this forum with more courtesy and respect. Growth and progress are a part of our Work. This is the Cult of Cthulhu, not the Mickey Mouse Club. Here, ideas are challenged aggressively, especially when they are ass-backwards as those you have presented in this thread. This is a crucible of fire; you will with either be tempered and become worthy to be called "friend" of the Cult of Cthulhu, or you will be more dross who's only purpose was to demonstrate the refinement of others. crucible of fire. the drama in you. woo. You've exaggerated a point about friendliness and peace to a height of such nonsense. and misunderstanding that at the end of day you better feel like you're somebody after this much ego inflation because it did not even the smallest thing to make cthulu cult appear as any more credible, honest or open to ideas of OTHERS not your ideas as any forum should invite. If you want to hear your ideas over and over repeated back to you, get a tape recorder and a bunch of parrots that look and sound like you. Don't delude yourself with having a forum where people can openly discuss ideas. "Friend"?... do you have any clue who you are talking to? No who the fuck yo uthink you are? lol do you know who I am? no. nobody knows anybody. That's kind of how it rolls in the virtual world. Besides the fact that I've just recently come in here. I am certainly appalled at your lack of consideration, openness or intelligble expression of your rebuttals. Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhatgn!
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Post by xiaogui17 on Oct 6, 2010 16:09:20 GMT -6
Seriously, Mr Charming, why are you here? Halfway through your thread you claim that "Every man and every woman is a star." Really? Then what are you doing in an LHP forum? The LHP is, among other things, elitist. Stratification, superiority, and domination are all widely accepted notions within the LHP. Egalitarianism, or "everybody's special," is similar to the rhp sentiment that god loves everyone. You also seem to think that BDSM is some sort of evil, depraved practice. Have you read anything by LaVey? Have you seen Master Diabolus's artwork? Have you looked at the thread I linked to? And you don't even try and establish this premise; you go into conversations as though it were a foregone conclusion. If you find the concept of domination so repulsive, might I enquire 1) What do you consider a healthy fetish, as opposed to all the others you clearly have a problem with, and 2) What is it about the LHP that attracts you? Yeah you seem very open minded. All I see you do is try to bash me and have very little to prove other than use the argument of "who are you to say..." ignoring all the facts and evidence pointed to. This will maybe make no difference for you in your life but hopefully for other people that will read this thread it may mean something. This is why I write what I write now. You have made two claims about the "harm" porn causes: 1) You claim that porn has a detrimental effect on men's physical health, emotional wellbeing, and relationships. The only "evidence" you have provided for this are unsubstantiated assertions that run counter to my every observation. 2) Claims that it culturally influences people to be more liberal about forms of sexuality which you find repulsive but I don't, so I don't really care even if it is true. That is not a scientific study. That's empty conjecture from an Ayurvedic website trying to sell its snake oil. Find me an actual study in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, not an advertisement for pseudoscientific remedies. Because a man has a one track mind when masturbating, they are only concerned with climaxing, and don't really care about making self pleasure last longer. Who said they cared? They don't have to actively try to receive an effect. In my experience, men who jack off more take longer to get off because frequent stimulation desensitizes the dick. You're making speculations. I'm speaking from experience. Like I said before the bodies of males and females work differently and my comment is in support of men quitting porn and seeking real women and not give in to the idea that they're losers and they deserve to masturbate, like you've been teaching us here. I didn't say all men should go on masturbating, just the hopeless ones who don't deserve a partner. And yes, men like that do exist. If I'm not permitted to argue a point, why would I have a conversation with you? You have to consider the entire population before you can make a case and not go on saying I don't have a problem with heroine so everyone is allowed to be free to use it. You're putting words in my mouth; I never said anything even remotely like that. I made a point of explaining why heroin and porn are different, and you're acting as though I confirmed the analogy. There are no "born" losers. your perception is flawed. Every man and every woman is a star. If you really buy into that, you are so in the wrong place it's not even funny. An overwhelming amount of evidence demonstrates that genes dictate a heavy amount of our personalities. There is no reason to know EVERYTHING before whatever relationship you may be in now and nobody expects that. I never said that, but it's good to have some idea as a starting point. You say you love anal sex and you've had it for 8 years: in your defence you've been watching porn for a lot longer than that. I have? This is news to me. Have you been stalking me my entire life? How could you conceivably know that about me? I wouldn't need to be very bold to assume you're living under the influences of those images you've come into contact with and now defend for. You'd need to be very bold to assume I'd been watching porn for a lot longer than 8 years. this girl is challenging history, facts, reality and all for what? I have challenged unsubstantiated claims, vague assertions, and moral opinions. Name one concrete fact that I have denied. You can't, because you haven't supplied a single supported fact. Yeah there's a picture of you up there. I think based on what you say and what you look like I can put the pieces together for myself. Really messed up, psycho, rubber wearing, ball busting, bdsm nipple torturing, bottom spanking, anal beading, male gagballing and wearing big black strap ons. that's your daily dish. don't lie. You can tell all that from looking at a headshot? Damn, you should be a feature at a carnival. NO the irony is that the question was rhetorical. wow this is new for you. isn't it? a question that doesn't require an answer. AMAZING! And my tongue-in-cheek reply was also meant to make a point regardless of whether you expected an answer or not. Not to mention, your rhetorical question was intended to imply that I couldn't come up with an answer, because you assumed there was no answer. I was noting otherwise. WEll he's a smart educated man who gave in to his urges. He's not a mad psycho. He's intelligible and honest enough to share with the world what mistake he made for the sake that others won't have to. He was able to personally trace his wrong deeds to his early influences with porn during his reflection in prison and realizes he was wrong. I don't think any doctor, (perhaps maybe a hypnotist could), could draw such conclusions on concrete grounds other than the person who committed the deed himself. Sociopaths are easily able to eloquently feign repentance, and blame it all on something external. This doesn't make it genuine. It's a valid source. There's doctors speaking in there as well as facts and statistics and real people giving tesimonials as to how porn has affected their minds. It's a valid source of opinions, but just opinions. If there was a single concrete fact in that entire video series to buttress the factual assertions you are making about porn, please, highlight it because apparently I missed it. The use of pornography is just like using any hardcore drug, watch that video. It is because sex is such a powerful influence and the body becomes extremely energized and the neurons in the brain so strongly stimulated during the viewing of porn that this leads to a much higher likelihood for addiction than alcohol, than marijuana and many other commonly used drugs. Nevertheless the use of porn should not be advocated if it harms us in anyway, wouldn't you agree? I mean we don't advocate heroin or even alcohol, so why support pornography if it's causing similar problems as most available drugs do. Again watch the documentary called A DRUG CALLED PORNOGRAPHY for more detail on this matter, i'm not going to spell out everything here for you to get it. All you have demonstrated is that our minds react positively to porn as they do to drugs. The euphoria that results in and of itself is not harmful; the addiction and health impact are. Drugs are demonstrably addictive and detrimental to human health. I'm still waiting on the facts that show how porn is. As I already stated, showing that they cause euphoria, as drugs do, does NOT translate to them being as harmful as drugs. The analogy unravels. ya 5 partners for some over 6 years. that's not great. That's just being in relationship. Even one night stands count. Unfortunately statistics preclude the depth of interaction between people and only get their information from a group of targeted individuals. You asserted that most people aren't getting laid; this shows that they are. If you don't think 5 partners for a young adult is sufficient, revise your definition of what the problem is. Many religions have stigmas against having sex before marriage. WE are in the cthulu forum and you've been giving ass for 8 years, so why not be realistic with what we're saying. My purpose is not to argue but to inform, and to defend truth. You're making statements about phenomena within the general population. If you want to talk about all the awesome sex Cthulhu Cultists are having, then stop talking about how most people aren't getting laid. Clearly, that's not applicable here. I was talking about women in porn. I don't even know you. Here's a hint; I was suggesting an overlap between the demographics "me" and "women in porn." Clearly I did establish that and you agreed in your previous post. It is explaining how it's not a great environment for the people in porn. Again, some, not all. But in its own right pornography is devastating the life of many men who should be living life and having a LOT more sex with a lot more women than they are. That's the fact. No, that's the thesis. You've yet to prove it's even remotely in the same galaxy as fact. You don't make yourself look very good with what you say. You're saying because you do what pornstars give into in the name of money, you do for free and this is somehow making you feel like a winner, is it? I'm saying that, if people do it for free, money is clearly not the sole motivating factor. You were asserting that the only reason a woman would ever do X, Y, or Z is if she were strapped for cash. By pointing out that people do this for free, it demolishes that assertion. imagine all the money you could be getting paid. seriously. If you're going to be a slut and sleep around and do all sorts of "horrendous" things like you say you do, just go be in porn. But seriously, I don't make a career out of what I do because I like having the freedom to call the shots. If I were paid, it would be a matter of supplying what was demanded. By not taking money, I do what it is I want. even if you tell me I don't know what kind of animals you sleep with. I don't sleep with animals and I already made that clear. What are the demographics of anal virgins losing elacsticity in their sphincter compared with girls that are taking two black dicks in their 3 or 4 times a week for 20 years. You're the one making the assertion that anal leads to incontinence. If there's evidence out there, the burden of proof is on you to supply it. Rape results a lot of times when men get built up and excited enough with porn and one day decide they have to have the real thing. Again there is real rapists in that video attesting to this phenomena. "The porn made me do it!" is like pleaing insanity or claiming the devil made you do it. It's a BS excuse to try and absolve oneself from personal accountability. Is experience the best teacher or is watching porn. You need to make up your mind. Porn supplies ideas, and ideas lead to experience. I doubt a book is going to give me any great ideas if all it does is make a bunch of assertions I already know are false from experience. By His loathsome tentacles!
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 6, 2010 16:10:19 GMT -6
mrcharming33
I can tell you that at one point in my life I felt as strongly about such things as you do now. My "Crusader days" Id call them.
I was fixated on a set couple of subjects that absorbed all my thoughts & helped me feel as if I was its main opponent. The one person who knew what it was & knew how bad it was. So you feel like your its main opponent.
Its obvious you were the person who had this problem with pornography. You must have conquered it though,maybe three or four years ago, but slipped a few months ago. And I dont mean you looked at porn, but you definitely found all those old feelings rushing over you again. And so its back on your mind. Im sorry for what you must have had to do in your life to fight this addition. But what really pisses me off, is the people you've allowed to surround your self with.
It obvious your surrounded by conservative,fundamentalist type closed minded people(sorry thats so broad). And you are nt allowed to think freely for your self. Whether its family that encourages your beliefs or the church your associated with, you are being forced. And this bothers me. Ive gone to some great lengths to rid my self of these people in my life. But family is hard to get away from. I imagine this is your problem too.
Whats eluded you about this "Crusade" your on, is that your opponent(pornography) is an obsession to you now. It will destroy you my brother. Remember how many times you said "This is it, Im done with it" crying & saying "God give me strength". Now look at you. Look at the way you talk about sex. It feels cathartic for you to use terms like anal & double penetration, cum drinking whores. The way you use these terms & the way you chose your words makes my skin crawl. I felt disgusted hearing you talk. And this is on a computer! And Im on a Cult of Cthulhu web site!!! Your hostility just poured out the second you spoke. Im just saying you ve become the 'monster' you ve been fighting. It's all over you now.Im very familiar with this in regards to abstinence.
But you scare me man. As much as you think you've grown over the years in regards to your spirituality & beliefs(for good). You are a time bomb.
You are a dangerous person, anyone can see it. You are obsessed with this subject. I wouldn't be surprised if like me, you have a journal that has many writings on matters of morality & the degenerating effects pornography has on society.
But this will destroy you Porn Crusader. You must free your self.
Awake
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Post by xiaogui17 on Oct 6, 2010 16:18:17 GMT -6
Boksmutanis, you've hit the nail on the head. This guy is more addicted to fighting porn than anyone's even been addicted to porn itself.
I find it laughable that charming seems to think he's so intellectually superior to Master Diabolus (and gloats about it!) when he can't even spell, use proper syntax, or produce a single bit of concrete evidence to support his assertions. He's clearly projecting and he can't see it. Seriously, what is he doing here?
By His loathsome tentacles!
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Post by egodiabolus on Oct 6, 2010 16:31:40 GMT -6
For the other readers of this thread, keep in mind that MrCharming33 sights the dangers of porn addiction, which he mistakenly attributes to porn in general, and uses only extreme examples to support his crusade. We don't know who hurt him; maybe his mother or sister worked in porn, maybe a woman left him to go into porn... whatever. Because of his personal vendetta against the porn industry, his personal fears and angst, he cannot see beyond his skewed perspective. He fails to recognize that porn is not "crack cocaine", it is not immediately addictive to the majority of people who come into contact with it, only a extremely slight percentage of people who arguably would be addicted to something else. Why he insists on his position remains a mystery.
The lesson I would suggest others take away from this rant is the failure to observe the self and understand our personal motivations leads to this kind of caustic single-mindedness. MrCharming33 is so wrapped up in his learned convictions (he sights a small pool of biased research supporting his argument, not his own experience), that he is cut-off from an objective discussion. Even when High Priest Satanis tries to say "to each his own", the man continues to argue.
MrCharming33 is a prime example of what it is not to be Awake, and why we strive to seeking to Awake through the Work. He has identified with this... cause; it is clearly something he believes defines him, so that any suggestion of an alternative view shakes him to his core. The "I" in him that has decided to champion this perspective rules him to the exclusion of any other "I" related to this topic. This is the danger of identification.
Gilfred must decide for himself, though intense self-observation, whether his crusade should be limited to his own choices and behaviors, or whether he should try to convince others of his point of view. He has not changed any minds here, and I seriously doubt he will. Long-time members of this forum know my position on trying to Awaken the sleepers, so having made what little effort I would, I am leaving MrCharming33 to his rest. I would encourage all others to do the same.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Oct 6, 2010 18:42:51 GMT -6
I don’t think the tit-for-tat back and forth is getting us anywhere. Congratulations to both of you; mrcharming33 (I wish you would live up to your name) for your successful seminars in the Canadian area and to you Vanessa for your… eight years of willing anal sex. I hope both of you are more enlightened for your chosen areas of success.
Back to the topic…
Mrcharming33 has a valid point about pornography. It does take something away from life experiences. Get out from in from of the computer (the internet is for porn…) and go to your local hangout. Pick up someone in real life. Enjoy the company of another human being. Who doesn’t prefer this???
But…pornography does have its place in our culture, mrcharming33. The idea that pornography and orgasm go hand-in-hand (sorry, but I had to…) is only true if you are not evolved enough to control your will. Master Diabolus is correct that pornography only leads to orgasm if you want it to. It never has to. Are most people asleep? Yes. Is there some truth to how it would be better for the husband to discuss his sexual needs, wants, and desires with his wife rather than jerk off in the other room? Yes. Do we all want to perform the things we see in porn or expect our partner(s) to? No. There are many times when I’ve seen, watched, or read about something erotic that sexually stimulated me that when I tried it in real life, I realized the actual “doing” wasn’t for me. Does this all make pornography wrong? Doubtful. Is the nature of porn extreme? Only if you let it.
The idea that our boys and girls are growing up learning about sex through porn is nothing new. And at least they are taking the initiative to learn about it rather than having it forced upon them. By doing so, they are more prepared for what may come about in the bedroom with another person, and it may make them more open-minded to requests that arise from their partner. More open communication in a relationship, especially in the bedroom, is never a bad thing.
As for the difference between men and women, of course there are differences, several of which have been previously noted in various posts. However, contrary to popular belief, the emotional impact of sex on a man is deeper than just getting off. Untimely obvious arousal, performance anxiety, premature ejaculation (previously mentioned), and normal concerns about the appearance of his body all play a major part in sexual performance. Anything that he can do to increase his confidence is going to make him sexier in the bedroom, even if that is watching porn to avoid surprises.
Sexual stimulation is healthy, and I think we would all agree that it feels (physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually) better when it ends with a romp with your partner(s) in the bedroom. Hold on… sorry… porn pop-up ad…
Where’s my boyfriend at?
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 6, 2010 18:52:42 GMT -6
Seriously, Mr Charming, why are you here? good question. I'm here to find out why watching pornography is advocated or even important as clearly I have written much to disprove its benefits and given specific facts, statistics, shared experiences as a clinical psychiatrist and my seminars as well the video links that I've shared here. Egalitarianism, or "everybody's special," is similar to the rhp sentiment that god loves everyone. No not everybody is special and god doesn't love everyone. it's not like that, you're expanding on the idea that "every man and woman is a star" and wrapping it up with your own interpretations. We have potential and I refuse to accept that because you think somebody's a loser that he should be left alone with porn where he is misguided and deluded about what women are, becoming weaker in the process. If you find the concept of domination so repulsive domination is not repulsive. it's natural. having a girl kick a guy in the balls where he won't have any healthy kids, that's a mental illness that should be addressed otherwise. Every fetish shouldn't be acted out, specially ones where one's own demise is the bottom line result. You have made two claims about the "harm" porn causes: 1) You claim that porn has a detrimental effect on men's physical health, emotional wellbeing, and relationships. The only "evidence" you have provided for this are unsubstantiated assertions that run counter to my every observation. simple put for you. sex in relationship= good. masturbating alone, with no hope of finding a woman = bad. masturbation just like all other things CAN be useful under controlled circumstances. My experience and observation, and my general study in this field has made vividly clear to me that people cannot control themselves. 2) Claims that it culturally influences people to be more liberal about forms of sexuality which you find repulsive but I don't, so I don't really care even if it is true. not more liberal. that's your choice of word. I said it would lead to abusing women, the need to degrade women and in extreme circumstances the "liberation" to rape. I have sourced the video where a rapist attests to the events that led him hold a strange girl to knife point for the sole purpose that he may achieve that release he had been fantasizing about and believing in as he watched porn. Who said they cared? They don't have to actively try to receive an effect. In my experience, men who jack off more take longer to get off because frequent stimulation desensitizes the dick. You're making speculations. I'm speaking from experience. your experience being a man you mean? okay look, if a man has ejaculated recently it will take him longer to ejaculate during sex. that's common sense. But premature ejaculation is a developing habit derived from the continuous viewing of porn and seeking the thrill of climax. It is psychological and emotional in nature, not physical. How do you not understand this? I didn't say all men should go on masturbating, just the hopeless ones who don't deserve a partner. And yes, men like that do exist. nobody's hopeless unless because of age. Most people are misguided. You're putting words in my mouth; I never said anything even remotely like that. I made a point of explaining why heroin and porn are different, and you're acting as though I confirmed the analogy. If you really buy into that, you are so in the wrong place it's not even funny. An overwhelming amount of evidence demonstrates that genes dictate a heavy amount of our personalities. let's see the evidence that says genes dictate our personalities and how that compares to how porn does the same thing. I haven't been overwhelmed by any evidence that you didn't show. And my tongue-in-cheek reply was also meant to make a point regardless of whether you expected an answer or not. Not to mention, your rhetorical question was intended to imply that I couldn't come up with an answer, because you assumed there was no answer. I was noting otherwise. I didn't assume that you couldn't answer that question. I'm sure you know how kinky you are and you've expressed that quite thoroughly here, so no that's not it. There was no need for an answer there, because the question implies something about you that you yourself have already put forth about yourself. Sociopaths are easily able to eloquently feign repentance, and blame it all on something external. This doesn't make it genuine. They did repent and are sorry for what they did, but they want people to know that they were misguided and hope that others won't go down the same path. many of the people in the video claiming that pornography made them into who they are, are serving his prison sentence for the rest of his life, so they have really not that much to gain out of such useless banter if it wasn't true. You can understand that better when you're on the death row. It's a valid source of opinions, but just opinions. If there was a single concrete fact in that entire video series to buttress the factual assertions you are making about porn, please, highlight it because apparently I missed it. in the end it's all opinions when it comes to sociology, psychology etc etc. Freud never actually proved the oedipus complex, he was simply able to make that connection through his personal studies. There are doctors speaking their educated and experienced opinions. There are victims who've been hurt by pornography. There are normal people on the street talking about how porn has changed them and there is criminals who are admitting to having been confused and hurt by the presence of pornography and causing harm to others. All you have demonstrated is that our minds react positively to porn as they do to drugs. The euphoria that results in and of itself is not harmful; the addiction and health impact are. Drugs are demonstrably addictive and detrimental to human health. I'm still waiting on the facts that show how porn is. As I already stated, showing that they cause euphoria, as drugs do, does NOT translate to them being as harmful as drugs. The analogy unravels. the harmful effects of porn has been thoroughly expressed already. Re read on everything discussed. It's like beating a dead horse with you. One specific point that I noticed in the video I linked is that the women for instance are told to smile, be happy and excited ( even when they're not) at what's happening to them, whatever it may be. This becomes translated in the mind as that act being what women want or actually gain pleasure from. So a woman is becoming abused, degraded and hurt ( for money which is most likely the case as we've established. Nobody will risk getting diseased, physically harmed, abused by strange men they don't know or care about if they're healthy minded) and the man watching this thinks this is what women want. And when they go to date an ordinary girl, normal girl from the society ( so not you lol - not necessarily as kinky and crazy) there is a clash of interests, because the man's demands are simply unrealistic and unnecessary. You asserted that most people aren't getting laid; this shows that they are. If you don't think 5 partners for a young adult is sufficient, revise your definition of what the problem is. no it doesn't because that number is not a lot. And in the large scale it's not even true. My personal studies have shown that most men are rarely getting any if they are. And a very small percentage of people are regularly active. Minus the people in relationships who some are having sex and many are not. The frequency of sex is also another matter overlooked by demographics. For instance a one night stand in one year can count as that person being with one partner and the 364 days of masturbation wouldn't be mentioned. You're making statements about phenomena within the general population. If you want to talk about all the awesome sex Cthulhu Cultists are having, then stop talking about how most people aren't getting laid. Clearly, that's not applicable here. if cthulu has a way of directing its followers with how they should use porn that's a different story. If you say all sleeping people should use porn, despite not being an actual part of the "cult", their sex lives will suffer. The other point is, cthulu is not specific about what it means by the free use of pornography, which can easily interpreted or misinterpreted as may be the case to go jerk off!! as in to ejaculate. Porn harms marriages, relationships, it creates that same distance I've been talking about when the man seeks his quick fix, rather than dealing the problems he's having in his relationship. Here's a hint; I was suggesting an overlap between the demographics "me" and "women in porn." unfortunately we can't take your overly promiscuous lifestyle to represent any solid demographics. All that says is that you get around and you like it, and believe me there's enough girls out there like you. You think sluts are only in porn? I'm saying that, if people do it for free, money is clearly not the sole motivating factor. You were asserting that the only reason a woman would ever do X, Y, or Z is if she were strapped for cash. By pointing out that people do this for free, it demolishes that assertion. you're doing those things with whom? with strangers that you meet day in and day out? on a tight schedule? you're saying the pornstars enjoy their sets infront of the camera? i know what you're going to say WELL SOME DO. I'm sure you don't have double anals, and gang bangs or have sex with animals. your point is completely invalid. Pornstars often have to adapt to the director's vision and do what is needed by them. The ad will say we need open minded women who will do any array of things that girls will submit to in order to get into a popular film production, to " jump start their career". I know a vast amount about this topic and many others, but again we happen to talk about pornography. But seriously, I don't make a career out of what I do because I like having the freedom to call the shots. If I were paid, it would be a matter of supplying what was demanded. By not taking money, I do what it is I want. and that's exactly why your super active sex style, as you claim, cannot be compared to a pornstar infront of a camera. Void of all intimacy, real feelings, passion and mind you infront of many strangers. your point = some women like that. Some women like not being loved, and not being treated well and constantly abused by asshole boyfriends and beaten even, because they have ISSUES. Those women should come and see me for a consultation. I don't sleep with animals and I already made that clear. jury is still out on that one. You're the one making the assertion that anal leads to incontinence. If there's evidence out there, the burden of proof is on you to supply it. anal leads to incontinence? not sexually. but laws of physics and elasticity of the human flesh will already prove that. At least your own experiences in life should have clarified that by now. A vagina that has taken bigger dicks is more loose. Women in porn complain constantly about lose vagina and anuses and do tightening surgeries. Burden of proof lies not on me but on you who is having anal sex for 8 years and don't even suspect to research this matter. "Muscle damage. Often, the cause of fecal incontinence is injury to the anal sphincter — the rings of muscle at the end of the rectum that help hold in stool. If these muscles are damaged, they're simply not strong enough to hold stool back properly, and some may leak out. " and muscles can become damaged during anal sex. makes sense? "The porn made me do it!" is like pleaing insanity or claiming the devil made you do it. It's a BS excuse to try and absolve oneself from personal accountability. so the man that kills his wife under the control of his extreme anger has to be held personally accountable? Well clearly law disagrees with you there. There's such terms used as temporary insanity, duress and circumstantial evidence when it comes to the cause and effect in every situation related to this. While a man must be accountable for his actions, a machine cannot and believe it or not most of us are a sleeping crowd who are controlled by that which influences us whether it be a drug, an influence, an emotion, another person or whatever. Porn supplies ideas, and ideas lead to experience. I doubt a book is going to give me any great ideas if all it does is make a bunch of assertions I already know are false from experience. Okay, yeah so you're a know it all and can learn nothing from a book and I've been discussing all this with you? books also supply ideas. You doubt it because maybe you don't read many useful educational books.
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 6, 2010 19:26:45 GMT -6
I don’t think the tit-for-tat back and forth is getting us anywhere. Congratulations to both of you; mrcharming33 (I wish you would live up to your name) for your successful seminars in the Canadian area and to you Vanessa for your… eight years of willing anal sex. I hope both of you are more enlightened for your chosen areas of success. hilarious. Thanks for that comic relief. Back to the topic… Mrcharming33 has a valid point about pornography. It does take something away from life experiences. Get out from in from of the computer (the internet is for porn…) and go to your local hangout. Pick up someone in real life. Enjoy the company of another human being. Who doesn’t prefer this??? we should all prefer this. But some people here seem to want to take the stubborn attitude that Who are you to tell people how they should be? maybe somebody wants to masturbate and be lonely for the rest of their lives. Is that the attitude of a healthy real person, I don't think so. very well put though by you. But…pornography does have its place in our culture, mrcharming33. The idea that pornography and orgasm go hand-in-hand (sorry, but I had to…) is only true if you are not evolved enough to control your will. okay under those circumstances. Even that can be subjectively accepted. If you can truly control it you are the master of it, not under its unconscious influence. Master Diabolus is correct that pornography only leads to orgasm if you want it to. It never has to. it never has to. again it comes back to the point about having that level of control over your addiction, which most people realistically don't. That's like saying doing drugs will never have to lead to becoming dependent on it, with that powerful of will, clearly not. But where is that real in people that you see on the street. I'm not comparing the effect of heroin to masturbation, but it is an analogy with the same message at its core. Try and find the connection without preconceptions. Do we all want to perform the things we see in porn or expect our partner(s) to? No. There are many times when I’ve seen, watched, or read about something erotic that sexually stimulated me that when I tried it in real life, I realized the actual “doing” wasn’t for me. You're discussing a situation where you have an active partner and are watching porn. At the least you are dating, meeting people and are social. The effect of pornography specially on men can lead to antisocial behaviour, the use of alcohol, other drugs to alleviate the effect. It is different for different people as Satanis kindly argues, but it certainly should not be actively promoted for the masses as a regular practise. i'm talking about watching porno. Does this all make pornography wrong? Doubtful. not morally. Does it harm people, more so than it helps people to learn about their own fetishes on both ends of the spectrum, between both viewers and the actors, a big YES. Is the nature of porn extreme? Only if you let it. compare a person's sexual practises who has not been under the influence of porn with someone who has been. In the videos that I've posted links for, regular people are attesting that their behaviour towards women has become more aggressive, disrespectful and degrading. They think all women are sluts and they're easy in the bedroom and one Main point is that women essentially want the abusive treatment but they don't yet know that. So the male forces on as the woman resists. A man should respect a woman to know "NO mean no". The idea that our boys and girls are growing up learning about sex through porn is nothing new. And at least they are taking the initiative to learn about it rather than having it forced upon them. By doing so, they are more prepared for what may come about in the bedroom with another person, and it may make them more open-minded to requests that arise from their partner. More open communication in a relationship, especially in the bedroom, is never a bad thing. to a moderate point yes. But there is ratings for any viewing material. You're not supposed to watch a 13+ movie until you're that age, of course standards vary for different individuals. But what do you think about a 10 year old who is finding free porn on the internet to nourish his curiosity for women and finding a little more than he bargained for. A friend of mine, she's a woman, her son is 13 and he watches enough porn based on their internet history. Do you think he's growing up under the Right influence in this case? Do you think that the influence that he's getting here is healthy or useful? I doubt it is. His understanding will be biased without a doubt. As for the difference between men and women, of course there are differences, several of which have been previously noted in various posts. However, contrary to popular belief, the emotional impact of sex on a man is deeper than just getting off. Untimely obvious arousal, performance anxiety, premature ejaculation (previously mentioned), and normal concerns about the appearance of his body all play a major part in sexual performance. Anything that he can do to increase his confidence is going to make him sexier in the bedroom, even if that is watching porn to avoid surprises. again you're pointing out the small benefits in comparison to the overwhelming dangers. With control and in moderation yes, but we can't even eat in moderation. What hope is there that we will do so with porn where sometimes you're too busy to have a girlfriend or have free time to be social and to seek women i.e. going to school fulltime, working, etc. This is the norm. Pornography should never replace the need for sex. Sexual stimulation is healthy, and I think we would all agree that it feels (physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually) better when it ends with a romp with your partner(s) in the bedroom. Hold on… sorry… porn pop-up ad… We would all agree with that. I think you're saying sex over masturbation. Common sense as it should be. one question are you a brit by any chance? Awake! Cthulu dreams
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 6, 2010 19:29:19 GMT -6
Boksmutanis, you've hit the nail on the head. This guy is more addicted to fighting porn than anyone's even been addicted to porn itself. I find it laughable that charming seems to think he's so intellectually superior to Master Diabolus (and gloats about it!) when he can't even spell, use proper syntax, or produce a single bit of concrete evidence to support his assertions. He's clearly projecting and he can't see it. Seriously, what is he doing here? By His loathsome tentacles! okay two things here. Not fighting porn. Saying it's not for everyone and it shouldn't be actively promoted. A whole world of difference. second, I don't know diabolus personally, but he was so offended and attacking me personally there in his post that he left so little room for actual information to be spread. That was the point.
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 6, 2010 19:41:34 GMT -6
mrcharming33 I can tell you that at one point in my life I felt as strongly about such things as you do now. My "Crusader days" Id call them. I was fixated on a set couple of subjects that absorbed all my thoughts & helped me feel as if I was its main opponent. The one person who knew what it was & knew how bad it was. So you feel like your its main opponent. Its obvious you were the person who had this problem with pornography. You must have conquered it though,maybe three or four years ago, but slipped a few months ago. And I dont mean you looked at porn, but you definitely found all those old feelings rushing over you again. And so its back on your mind. Im sorry for what you must have had to do in your life to fight this addition. But what really pisses me off, is the people you've allowed to surround your self with. It obvious your surrounded by conservative,fundamentalist type closed minded people(sorry thats so broad). And you are nt allowed to think freely for your self. Whether its family that encourages your beliefs or the church your associated with, you are being forced. And this bothers me. Ive gone to some great lengths to rid my self of these people in my life. But family is hard to get away from. I imagine this is your problem too. Whats eluded you about this "Crusade" your on, is that your opponent(pornography) is an obsession to you now. It will destroy you my brother. Remember how many times you said "This is it, Im done with it" crying & saying "God give me strength". Now look at you. Look at the way you talk about sex. It feels cathartic for you to use terms like anal & double penetration, cum drinking whores. The way you use these terms & the way you chose your words makes my skin crawl. I felt disgusted hearing you talk. And this is on a computer! And Im on a Cult of Cthulhu web site!!! Your hostility just poured out the second you spoke. Im just saying you ve become the 'monster' you ve been fighting. It's all over you now.Im very familiar with this in regards to abstinence. But you scare me man. As much as you think you've grown over the years in regards to your spirituality & beliefs(for good). You are a time bomb. You are a dangerous person, anyone can see it. You are obsessed with this subject. I wouldn't be surprised if like me, you have a journal that has many writings on matters of morality & the degenerating effects pornography has on society. But this will destroy you Porn Crusader. You must free your self. Awake I don't know what kind of tangent you are on, but you've got me figured out all wrong. My area of work or home is not filled with fundamentalist type people. There is no crusade. There really is no time bomb. And how are you even assuming all this about me i.e. My crying to god and saying give me strength? you're a poet in the true sense.I'm sorry to hear you were scared about what I wrote. Most people are when topics become as intense and go as far as it did here. Yes double penetration, cum drinking whores are a real part of the industry. I didn't put them there. the information is freely available and there is no shame in knowing the world you live in. Whether you're disgusted or not, young confused, misguided women are going through such a treatment on a daily basis, somewhere not far away from you. Most likely for money, not willingly. There is testimonials on youtube about pornstars admitting to that after they quit porn. This thread simply started with a bit of curiosity as to why the idea was advocated in Liber AO and coming to reflection about everybody's answer, I can see that it must have just been a general outline in that book without much thought behind it. Much of what is said here turned into bitter arguments and bantering which didn't lead to the resolve expected. There was a number of enlightening and interesting ideas and sources about pornography however in the midst of all the debates that will be useful. Thanks for the motivation to free myself, as you should be doing too from the delusion you sadly suffer. But it's artistic. Who AM I to say you're crazy and not an artist. Ia Ia Cthulu Phtagn
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Oct 6, 2010 20:02:55 GMT -6
one question are you a brit by any chance? Not Brit; just an All-American, horny, masturbating, porn-watching, slave to my BDSM master... Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 6, 2010 20:44:47 GMT -6
Just wanted to say that if some people put half of the energy they have currently expended in this pornography thread into more practical discussion on subjects closer to the core of our emerald paradigm, then we would all be better off.
This is just one more tool which the universe is happy to use. We are distracted by blatant nonsense so that we forget all about our esoteric points of interest. I won't lock this thread because its sheer folly serves a definite purpose. To resist feeding a troll is tantamount to not suffering. We must decide to transcend that which comes naturally to us, and then our will must make that decision a reality. Choose to become your true self in this moment, for nothing else exists but you... here and now.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by beastx on Oct 6, 2010 21:01:17 GMT -6
To all who have participated with in this thread,
There are few times in which you will see me use my authority within this forum. I generally support the notion of conflict breeding betterment. For that reason when there are disagreements in the many arenas of thought... I will sit back and watch or if I have something to add I will. It is when discussion becomes without resolve that it becomes pointless. For this reason I have banned MrCharming33. It isn't that his opinion was/is not valid. It was just distracting us from what we are really here for.
Awake!
Beast Xeno First Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 7, 2010 10:47:25 GMT -6
I wanted to "sleep" on this issue. I also wanted to see if anyone posted their feelings regarding this thread and the original poster.
I understand those who become frustrated with how the CoC forum develops. Occasionally, I feel a similar frustration. It's not all fantastic posts and insightful wisdom. Master Xeno hasn't been around these hit or miss boards in awhile, so it doubly surprised me that he decided to ban mrcharming33 for the crime of distracting us. Especially since the choice of where to place our attention is incumbent upon our individual selves. We cannot blame others for our lack of self-control. It doesn't matter how vigorously or stubbornly we cling to whatever delusion might be plaguing us at the moment. The fact is that our reality is our own. These discussion boards should not persecute crusaders, no matter how misguided they appear to us, as long as the forum rules remain unbroken.
As far as I can see, mrcharming33 broke no forum rules. Even if he had, a warning was not given. This particular user came to me; he desires to continue his stay amongst us. That is why I'm reinstating his active "un-banned" status. There is a point where order takes on the characteristics of oppression. The quest for higher levels of consciousness is a harsh journey, but let us not add to its severity.
Those who wish to discuss the issue should start a new thread in the Announcements, Protocols, and Introductions board.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by mrcharming33 on Oct 7, 2010 17:23:29 GMT -6
I wanted to "sleep" on this issue. I also wanted to see if anyone posted their feelings regarding this thread and the original poster.
I understand those who become frustrated with how the CoC forum develops. Occasionally, I feel a similar frustration. It's not all fantastic posts and insightful wisdom. Master Xeno hasn't been around these hit or miss boards in awhile, so it doubly surprised me that he decided to ban mrcharming33 for the crime of distracting us. Especially since the choice of where to place our attention is incumbent upon our individual selves. We cannot blame others for our lack of self-control. It doesn't matter how vigorously or stubbornly we cling to whatever delusion might be plaguing us at the moment. The fact is that our reality is our own. These discussion boards should not persecute crusaders, no matter how misguided they appear to us, as long as the forum rules remain unbroken.
As far as I can see, mrcharming33 broke no forum rules. Even if he had, a warning was not given. This particular user came to me; he desires to continue his stay amongst us. That is why I'm reinstating his active "un-banned" status. There is a point where order takes on the characteristics of oppression. The quest for higher levels of consciousness is a harsh journey, but let us not add to its severity.
Those who wish to discuss the issue should start a new thread in the Announcements, Protocols, and Introductions board.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Dear members, I hail from the dead. Brother satanis has spoken the voice of reason and I couldn't have put what he has written any better myself, I concur. We must learn to control ourselves and live in the moment and cannot blame others for how we feel. It is my purpose to contribute to the brotherhood of this community in the name of growth and evolution towards becoming conscious real beings. My inspiration being the discovery and acceptance of the ideas in Liber AO. Much of what is written there speaks my language and reaffirms much of what I've not only come to experience and learn about but know to be facts in every facet of life. truly! How more beautifully can truth be spoken than in the simple phrase " belief is reality". This to me is profound, without a doubt. With that said, there are aspects of the book that I disagree with as anyone of you could and I hope you have. How can any work evolve and better its followers if we thoughtlessly supplicate to its dogmas. One of my points of conflict was in the curious advocation of pornography and my undying need to know why why why. granted a lot of ideas have been spread around regarding that topic that have enlightened all the people participated and to those people I am grateful. the issue has not been resolved for me at this point and given all that has been spoken, even still, the need for pornography appears at best to be a virtual world in which one can explore one's own many facets and sexual inclinations. All of which I personally have come to explore without the need for pornography. I still do believe that it causes more harm than good for humanity in general, but the conclusion I have earned is that under a controlled environment and within the barriers of strong individual will, and within precise moderation beauty and truth may be extracted from its display. Even still in a limited form. To each his own was a wise statement, but let's not assume that we all are in complete control of our own choices and that Things outside do not influence us in anyway. That is ignorance. It is delusion and certainly we cannot gain or grow in anyway until we examine this issue more carefully and under a scientific light. So I'm going to close with the following final idea and say that as long as we work towards being ourselves, not taking things personally and within external consideration of others, as I aim to do, we will strengthen this brotherhood and our bonds ever will remain unbroken as we float towards our discovery for truth. it is my choice to be a part of this brotherhood and I appreciate all the events that led up to that happening. With needless to reiterate display of gratitude for brother satanis' efforts, we will carry on then. ia ia cthulu phtagn. and my official signing "belief is reality"
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