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Post by LostSoul on Jul 1, 2009 18:55:41 GMT -6
Well, speaking ONLY for myself...
Gender is inconsiquential...It's passion and lust that matter...
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Jul 1, 2009 19:09:41 GMT -6
Well, speaking ONLY for myself... Gender is inconsiquential...It's passion and lust that matter... ah
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 1, 2009 21:55:01 GMT -6
i didn't follow that bit, i'm afraid. put it this way... women are different than men, so can an apple really be equal to an orange?
a lot of the CoC teachings are filtered through me. i have my own subjective experiences, desires, and understanding. that's why man/woman and woman/man/woman sexuality is emphasized. while i do support gay and bisexual men, i have no interest in practicing it myself nor could i passionately write about it.
every Cultist influences the CoC in their own particular way. it's a big tent and the Lovecraftian circus is in town.
VS
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Post by sin on Jul 2, 2009 6:46:31 GMT -6
Agreed.
I think that we are one species yes, but uniquely different in terms of identity and gender. Both women and men perceive and conceptualize things differently.
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Post by LostSoul on Jul 2, 2009 7:41:02 GMT -6
Well, that's true...But, don't we all feel lust and passion pretty much on the same primordial level? It may come forth in different fashions(depending on indentity and gender...But, it all comes from the same primeval soup?
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Post by sin on Jul 2, 2009 10:28:16 GMT -6
Well, that's true...But, don't we all feel lust and passion pretty much on the same primordial level? It may come forth in different fashions(depending on indentity and gender...But, it all comes from the same primeval soup? No. I don't. I think the motives are different, and anthropologically speaking - given a closer examination you can truly identify the differences in those passions.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Jul 2, 2009 14:27:21 GMT -6
What I meant was if males can fuck females because females are the equals of males, then by that token, males should be able to fuck other males (and females other females, obviously) because you cant have anything more equal than the same thing repeated. I am having trouble explaining myself - as I often do (especially a few bottles of wine later...) - but I hope you can atleast get a vague idea of what I mean. But I do most definitely understand your perspective on it all. I was curious, that's all. As a devotee of Shub-Niggurath, I give rein to any and all carnal influences and desires I feel roused within me. Which is most curious, because at the same time, I'm not particularly attracted to anyone at all. Everyone's equally bland, lifeless and boring as everyone else, in my books. A vessel is a vessel, and that's good enough for me. It's almost like being asexual... but still needing to, and wanting to, fuck and fornicate and sodomize and all those other nasty words. I can't think of anything more relative to the Black Goat than that. .... Unless I was perhaps a dendrophile...
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Post by Lord Void Bharam'ka on Jul 2, 2009 14:39:40 GMT -6
.... Unless I was perhaps a dendrophile... The word of the day is dendrophile, AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Dendrophile, AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!, translates to Tree-Fucker boys and girls. ;D
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 2, 2009 21:41:41 GMT -6
that's actually what i thought you were trying to say, but that still makes me scratch my head. what does sexual attraction and fucking have to do with equality? if a bird was equal to you (whatever that means), then can you fuck a bird? uh, sure... i guess. Cthulhu doesn't care about your sexual preference. i know that because He told me.
by the way, i don't tell people what they can or can't do. and even if i did, that doesn't mean people will listen. i do what makes me happy and i don't care about much else.
VS
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Jul 3, 2009 20:41:22 GMT -6
Didn't think so. Never mind then
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 5:31:30 GMT -6
I think the apologist is a teenager. When I was a juvenile delinquent counselor there were alot of intelligent know-it-all teens who were really book smart, but arrogant as all hell, and lacking any common sense. His lack of etiquette makes him come off in this manner. I could be wrong. I believe you've struck the nail upon the head, as I've run into the like myself. He fits the bill. So then, back on topic. Yes, Liber A:O conveys a much clearer message. A truly awakening one, that only illogical could ignore.
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 5:47:55 GMT -6
that's actually what i thought you were trying to say, but that still makes me scratch my head. what does sexual attraction and fucking have to do with equality? if a bird was equal to you (whatever that means), then can you fuck a bird? uh, sure... i guess. Cthulhu doesn't care about your sexual preference. i know that because He told me.
by the way, i don't tell people what they can or can't do. and even if i did, that doesn't mean people will listen. i do what makes me happy and i don't care about much else.
VS "if a bird was equal to you (whatever that means), then can you fuck a bird? uh, sure... i guess." 'Got to love this guy. "Cthulhu doesn't care about your sexual preference. i know that because He told me." VS, this is a bit off topic but, how often do you converse with Cthulhu?
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Post by sin on Dec 15, 2009 7:12:33 GMT -6
I guess, what we need to clarify is what equality means to each of us. While I do believe we perceive and conceptualize things differently, each human is equal in terms of species. I believe we are different creatures in the same ocean so to speak.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 15, 2009 14:24:07 GMT -6
That part was just me trying to be funny.
I do commune with the Great Old Ones, but it's indirect. I don't hear Cthulhu's voice in my head or anything like that. Sometimes there is dream-speak, other times just impressions and the occasional vision.
VS
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Post by sin on Dec 15, 2009 14:25:29 GMT -6
Boo hiss! Charlatan! *giggles*
[whispers] you iz a cult leader
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 15:05:44 GMT -6
That part was just me trying to be funny.
I do commune with the Great Old Ones, but it's indirect. I don't hear Cthulhu's voice in my head or anything like that. Sometimes there is dream-speak, other times just impressions and the occasional vision.
VS
Most amateur scriers and fortune tellers are incapable of seeing into their future, as they see only what they want to see. (Not to imply that you are an amateur in any aspect.) Using a methods as the ones you described are extremely susceptible to ones own influence when receiving the message. I would like to ask, in all due respect (and I really do mean that.), how is it that you differentiate between your imagination and direct messages from the Great Old Ones? In other words, how do you know you're seeing what the Great Old Ones want you to see rather than what you want to see? I do not mean to ask this in a rude manner, or in attempt to point out a flaw, I am genuinely curious. I apologize if I have worded this to sound rather 'skeptical,' I suppose would be the word.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 15, 2009 16:48:42 GMT -6
YOU DARE QUESTION ME!!!!
Only joking, my friend. That is a great question and I encourage everyone in the Cult to do their own thinking, find their own answers, and question the very fabric of reality... including whatever it is I have to say.
So, on to your question. How do I know it's more A:O and less Venger's listening to Pink Floyd whilst tripping tentacled balls on acid? Well, I believe it to be a combination of the two, actually. Also, I don't have any certain, verifiable way of knowing which is which.
It's an organic bombardment of impressions with different levels of resonance. Certain impressions resonate at a higher frequency or vibration. When properly attuned, or Awake, it becomes easier to differentiate between impressions A, B, and C. Meaning lower impressions of little value (A), those tainted with substance which are often a bastardization of higher impressions (B), and ones emanating directly from greater, more powerful dimensions (C).
That might not make any sense to you, but at the moment, that's my best explanation. There are things I question from time to time, but some concepts I take as fact. No one has to believe what I believe, but I do ask that Cultists trust me to do what is necessary for the benefit of humanity... even if only a few individuals have the chance to evolve.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 17:34:42 GMT -6
Makes perfect sense to me. It actually makes me understand a lot more about you as well. I also believe you noted several times through various forms of media (The ooze, Liber A:O, on the forum, ect.) as to the cultists to find their own way, rather than taking every word you say as literal truth and law. Not your exact words but, the general idea. Not holding ones hand through the entire process.
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Post by alderman on Dec 15, 2009 17:50:15 GMT -6
Should you be accurately picking up on messages from the A:O, I do have a theory as to why. (As to answer my own question.) The less conscious a person is the more their subconscious starts to take over, giving them dreams. Or hallucinations if they are still “awake.” The more conscious a person is the less their subconscious would be interfering with their perception of the world around them. The less interference their would be between the sender and receiver of any given kind of message. (Be it a car swerving at you, a flashing light, a message from the A:O, anything that can be observed.) I'd imagine the man who teaches the art of true consciousness would be a master of it himself. And thus having the mental clarity to accurately receive said type of communication. Then again, I typically have not the slightest clue what I'm talking about. Just a thought.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 15, 2009 19:26:27 GMT -6
I understand what you mean. Although, we should be careful when speaking about the conscious and subconscious mind.
While all human beings should endeavor to be more conscious, because we are all asleep, there are impressions we can pick up on that come from outside the everyday realm. This is what you mean by receiving dreams or hallucinations, I believe. It's not a state of awareness below consciousness, but rather it goes beyond ordinary consciousness (which is really more like waking sleep).
We must be mindful while reaching into the void...
VS
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Post by sin on Dec 16, 2009 6:59:54 GMT -6
I recommend reading the HP Lovecraft story, The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. These ideas are illustrated throughout the story. It might help to put them into perspective.
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Post by alderman on Dec 16, 2009 7:44:11 GMT -6
I recommend reading the HP Lovecraft story, The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. These ideas are illustrated throughout the story. It might help to put them into perspective. Sounds good, I just pulled it up. Looks like one of his longer stories, I'll get back to you when I've finished. Thank you for the recommendation.
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Post by sin on Dec 16, 2009 9:12:30 GMT -6
I have a lot of his longer stories in audio, I listen to them while I'm driving. It's a great way to re-examine ideas about the stores. I'm doing this with the Nyarlathotep analysis using (4) primary stories and (2) poems.
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Post by eldritchentity0 on Feb 8, 2010 17:19:10 GMT -6
Well I just got through reading this thread I had no idea there was a Liber A:O if that is the case i want purchase Cthulhu Bible and that Liber A:O. I've said this once I had bought the Cthulhu Bible twice and one was lost and the other stolen.I was really not to happy about that.I am however, amazed to see how much the Cult has been a influence in the occult realm and I hear many other groups speak of the Cult negatively and it really pisses me of because I associate with the Cthulhu Cult even though I am not an officially a member yet. So with that said I am hoping to join very soon.
Hail Satan!Hail Cthulhu! Hail Venger Satanis!
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 1, 2010 14:42:44 GMT -6
Just bought & received the Leber A:O book with the COC Bible. Sweet. Love the art & lay out. Thank you Lord Venger.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by Kai'zen on Jul 30, 2011 2:36:39 GMT -6
Unfortunately, I have yet to actually obtain a copy of the second book...Jobs are scarce here and I haven't the money.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jul 30, 2011 3:04:24 GMT -6
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Post by Kai'zen on Aug 3, 2011 20:58:12 GMT -6
Thanks Loki, getting into it now.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 15, 2011 11:24:49 GMT -6
Danielle and I were cleaning out the basement a couple days ago, and I found an unaccounted for box of Liber A:O books. So, I'm renewing / re-offering the deal:
cthulhu-cult.com/?page_id=158
Awake!
VS
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Post by Ankor on Dec 19, 2011 14:49:22 GMT -6
It's an excellent book. It makes sense in its own twisted way. I bought it as an ebook some time ago and have read and reread it several times.
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