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Post by punkritualtheatre on Jun 22, 2008 6:44:23 GMT -6
I'm a CoC affiliate, still deciding if I want to join or not, and I got distracted by problems involving suicide rates in my local area.
I do believe that there's a lot of genuine friendship here, so please listen to what I want to say. Venger drew my attention and made a policy statement against racism, so I thought I'd pop in and support it.
I'm from a large South Wales family which has bloodlines from all over the place. I resonate a lot with Celtic and Viking magical traditions, and that makes me a better champion to deffend my whole family rather than a hypocritical one.
At the moment, I'm the best at fighting, so I'm called on as the family body guard sometimes, and it's kind of my turf to teach the children to fight. My brother in law has got loads of West Indian blood, and he's a much better friend to have in lots of ways where I'm failing.
I do enjoy raising a glass and shouting Odin with my Norse tradition friends, but I'll probably be doing family gathering stuff and singing Rogers and Hammerstein with my father soon after.
My father's a Welsh speaker with a Jewish sirname in the family from about 200 years ago. He rebeled against the Christian hypocrasy which pressured him to treat Jewish people as less than human when he was younger.
My Viking friends know this kind of thing and they love me as the man I am. They wouldn't have me any other way.
Yes I am proud to be Welsh and British, but that's not because of the Empire and the inbred generals who saluted a demented King George and sent young men to their deaths to try to preserve slavery in the deep south.
It's more because so many the equivalent of last years Jews fleeing the holocaust see Britain as a fair country to try their chances in, and it's because our ancestors spent less time burning libraries than people in a lot of other cultures.
So you can expect me to be fair as well.
If you're having problems with organisations which have a racist agenda, or influences which are trying to brainwash people towards intolerence then please call on me for some magical back up.
I'll probably get some friends round for divinations and strategies in the war room, and then we'll take the matter to the temple, and trust me, sometimes when we invoke and enchant against these kinds of problems, we do it it hardcore, and we'll keep fighting even if we're down to sticks and stones.
Having said that, nice to see you all again.
I hope you're doing well and having fun.
It's always a pleasure to see the guys who get down and dirty with the primal stuff.
Take care.
Punk Ritual Theatre
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Post by luxcthonis on Jun 22, 2008 17:38:04 GMT -6
I am a Nationalist with a concern primarily for the White race (due to its massive degeneration). I do not see that as a bad thing. The biases of presumption tend to deviate from the truth, and the truth is I am no racist. I am primarily concerned with the welfare and benefit of my own kind, especially since we are so few in the world, and seeing the level of uncivilization of our youth. Now, I have had, and still have non-White friends. (Yes, they know about my Nationalistic tendencies, haha). my reason for writing this here is only do say this: unlike most White Nationalist individuals, I see the Jews as being White (much to their chagrin). Jews are White. White people are White. Non-Whites are alright as long as they're cool; do not misunderstand. White apes aren't accepted by me either.
And there is no need for violence of any sort. Either there is intelligence and civilization, or there is not. I know I am quickly becoming unpopular through these things I say, but I haven't exactly been asked to leave officially. I'ts not like I'm here against anyones will (at least I haven't been informed). Not that I'm scared of spells. Be it as you desire.
As I said previously, no hard feelings. But I would be very surprised if I was the only one who felt this way here on the forum. I'm just vocal about it. Someone has to say it.
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Post by punkritualtheatre on Jun 22, 2008 19:57:18 GMT -6
If you're talking about the degeneration of the white race, then you're looking back to a golden age.
There never was a golden age.
The British have one of the longest unbroken written histories of any people on the planet.
We haven't got a golden age.
And we're predominantly 'white'
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Post by punkritualtheatre on Jun 22, 2008 20:57:18 GMT -6
As I said previously, no hard feelings. But I would be very surprised if I was the only one who felt this way here on the forum. I'm just vocal about it. Someone has to say it. I'll answer this as well. If I say Left Hand Path on here, I mean people who like Anton LaVey as well as tantrics. Anton LaVey was part Lithuanian Gypsy by blood, and he chose to celebrate Norse / Teutonic pagan stuff even after the holocaust. That's one of the reasons why I respect him. He looked deeper than knee jerk reactions. I think that's cool. If you want to misrepresent Satanism and LHP by saying "Lots of us feel this way" then . . . . . . all it means is that you're cowards and you've ran out of flags to hide behind.
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Post by luxcthonis on Jun 22, 2008 22:54:51 GMT -6
He looked deeper than knee jerk reactions. I think that's cool. If you want to misrepresent Satanism and LHP by saying "Lots of us feel this way" then . . . . . . all it means is that you're cowards and you've ran out of flags to hide behind. I knew that about LaVey. Though I have been silent on the forum for a while now, I was nevertheless here when you first arrived. It seems as if people are thinking this is something new. This topic has been adressed before on this forum by myself and others. Now, I was specifically referring to people on this forum, as well as other Cultists who may feel similar convictions (give or take, some of them aren't around anymore it seems... ). Thats all I meant by that. I don't think I misrepresented Satanism at all, whatever that means. Cowards? Run out of flags to hide behind? Not even sure what you're getting at here, sounds as if you have ill blood with other Nationalists and are here just slogging whatever I say due to your own bias. Thats straight, I don't mind; like I said, I'm not saying this to start shit. I'm saying it because its my conviction. I thought of something after I logged out last: a "racist" is a person who hates other races. I do not. I don't have the energy to waste on hating someone who doesn't care about me, whether they be White or non. A "Nazi" is someone who prescribes to the National Socialist political doctrine (correct?), which I have found through experience to be found wanting. A "Nationalist" is one who considers (yes CONSIDERS) his nationality to be a top priority for some reason or other (because reasons differ). Is it just me, or am I displaying some sort of intelligence and civility by speaking about things openly? Where is the cowardice? Am I such a coward for daring to speak my own mind? Even if it were true that I am the only one HERE who cares aught about this at all. Blah...waste of time obviously, going by the general response. Too bad the so-called enlightened and Awakened can be so confoundedly ignorant, and by their own desire.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 23, 2008 9:38:05 GMT -6
the nation i'm in, America, is multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. does that mean if i'm a Nationalist then i support all races and their cultural niches?
maybe Canada is more white than other nations, but allegiance to a nation is worthless as it pertains to the work. our work. the outsider should be your kind. not some artificial designation like skin color.
you are disrupting the real reason most of us are here... to accomplish something that is difficult to do: becoming conscious. that is my main problem with the continued "debate". although, there really is no debate. i'm in charge of the Cult and i determine its policies. the CoC is not racist or nationalist or affiliated with any nazi/white supremest ideology. can't make it any more plane than that.
if anyone would like to continue a discussion of theoretical concepts and mere opinion, then confine it to this thread. all other posts of that type will be deleted. and the original thread of the I-E grotto locked. feel free to p.m. me about these issues.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by JJ Burke on Jun 23, 2008 13:28:00 GMT -6
i'm convinced that there never was a chance for intelligent debate. people who argue for racism ride the same short bus as people who think the earth is 6000 years old. life is so confusing that all they can do is latch onto one retarded notion and hope it'll float them through to the end. i won't poke the poor guy with my thinky stick anymore.
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Post by Logos on Jun 23, 2008 14:49:38 GMT -6
...but allegiance to a nation is worthless as it pertains to the work. our work. the outsider should be your kind. not some artificial designation like skin color. Hear Hear! Racism has no factual basis and is just as bad as Christianity. All whites came from Africa and "Aryans" were people from India. Take a Biological Anthropology course sometime, you may learn something. Regardless of all that, we on the LHP cannot afford to hold racist tendencies. How are we to bring forth a new Aeon of Darkness and Alien thought forms if we cannot stand together?
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Jun 24, 2008 13:41:40 GMT -6
Alright. I will try not to say much obn this subject. I'll try.
I, like punk ritualtheatre support Venger on this policy. Thank you for not allowing bullsghit to dominate this awakeninmg, to shift this paradign or to pollute this gnosis.
Subliminal Genocide, you keep saying that noone is listening to what you have to say, merely knee-jerk reacting to your un pc stance. I have read every word that you have typed. I spend much time analising my own psyche--I do not believe that I am victim of any gooshey, overly tolerant left wing brainwashing.
I can even be toerant towards intolerant people. I would much rather you come back into the realms of understanding, than get yourself excommincated, though you may have to work through this on your own time.
Basicly, I do believe that you are expending lots of energy, to little effect, upon this little issue at hand. I furthermore feel that this is a bit of angsty acting-out. This issue, the race thing, is a manifestation of the second circuit neuro-engineering. Or, if you prefer a tantrick metaphor (I doubt that you do, since tantra is non-white of origin!) this is a manifestation of the gut chakra. As long as your focus remains upon this level you will find that you have less energy available the higher power zones. Open up your heart chakra and let love in! Fuck, I sound silly.
Mere terrotorial squabbling will not lead to very much of an awakening.
Personally, I have often considered that there do exist some very real forces within this universe, which very much wish to keep mankind trapped within lower levels of cognition. This sort of conspiracy type of notion can indeed lead to a paranoia, itself not all that much better than your racism...hmm. Anyhoot, these forces, call them Archons, Grigori, Watchers, or even the Illuminati (if you must, but I would not recomend it) totally love the divide and conquer thing.
I do not believe that you are beyond all hope. You'll get over this eventually. I have gone through similiar phases myself.
I also do not believe you are moronic nor hopelessly immature. You are however directing you forcus down a blind alley, and it won't take you anywhere good.
Okay, I have prattled on uselessly enough. I am done with the whole subject. Peace and chicken grease, y'all.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 25, 2008 10:42:14 GMT -6
would that be related to Timothy Leary's circuit ideas? coincidentally, i'm just starting to re-read Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson, and he mentions the concept and its influence in the introduction/preface.
i don't know about anyone else, but after awhile... maybe 3 years or so, i find it necessary to revisit certain books. we forget things so easily, and yet some knowledge hits us in the right manner when we have the right attunement (or attitude) so that it becomes part of us. i feel the need to examine what has influenced me, as well as, the concepts that i didn't fully "get" the first time around.
Prometheus Rising is such a book. i should probably re-read The Cosmic Trigger as well.
VS
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Jun 26, 2008 10:15:13 GMT -6
Yes, Learys' 8 circuits. A gleamingly sane and useful model of human consciousness which I believe I was first inroduced to in that same prometheus rising.
Funnily enough, i just stared re-reading cosmic trigger, myself.
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Post by sin on Aug 22, 2008 12:17:18 GMT -6
I've studied Odinism and Arayanism in depth, both have valid philosophies. What I found interesting in my research, is they have a Nazi Green Party. Sounds bizzare right? www.nazi.org/People need to just let go of old ideals about Nazism, it evolves like anything else. When people imagine a 'Nazi' all they can see is the holocaust, war, and hate. A little self-education goes a long way, in releasing oneself from being spoon-fed reality. I don't know why most people are content to be 'told' the ways of the world, and how things are. Why do people lack the ambition to find their own truths, and form their own opinions? Frickin' sheeple man, baaa baaa! Racism, is a logical fallacy but any philosophy that supports pride in race, or the preservation of one's race isn't racism. If an organization takes pride, and wants to preserve it's race all the while looking down their noses at 'other' races, well that's a mixed-philosophy and hypocritical in my opinion. It is a form of racism. It's having your cake, and eating it too - but hey, we can do that. That's what freedom is all about. We are also free to form our own opinions about such practices. My opinion is that I find racism illogical, and that Arayanism and Odinism are valid rational philosophies provided they are not mixed in with hate, brutality, and intolerance. I also think it's fine that one lives the path of hate, brutality and intolerance, it just doesn't fit me. I don't think a man's merit can be gauged on his race alone, but by his character and accomplishments. That's my opinion, and it's how I live my life. If I chose the other route, who the hell is anyone to tell me that my choices are wrong or unethical? Screw that, that's up for me to decide.
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Post by wizardwhateley on Oct 3, 2008 19:11:51 GMT -6
It's cool to be non-racist, therefore I have to question it. Just as if it was cool to be racist I would have to question that.
We simply cannot stop asking questions.
That aside, I like intelligence, good manners and respect for the values I like. I might presume that someone from my cultural and racial background has those qualities more quickly than someone from outside that group, if you could call that racism? But if they don't have them I will quickly find out.
Put simply, if you are a black guy with interesting views and grasp of manners and logic you are okay with me. If you are a white ass you will get no respect from me.
Conversely if I meet a bunch of guys from Italy (for example) and they are all asses then it is logical to assume a majority (but not all) of them are asses.
Hope tha tmakes sense...
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 3, 2008 20:42:52 GMT -6
woooow how in 2008 is this still something we need to talk about? maybe im just from California, but i thought racism was pretty much over with... no? shitty. fucking ANYway... i see in no way shape or form how you can ever hope to be a working member of the CoC and still cling to racist, small-minded ideals. not only is being a racist just so fucking indescribably dumb it makes my eyes bleed, its also COMPLETELY fucking counterproductive to AWAKENING... which is what i HOPE we're all here for. racism is one of many retarded byproducts of Acquired Personality and Identification and continuing to be racist is continuing to be Asleep. am i right, HP? is that a decent grasp of what ive learned in the 4th Way thus far?
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Oct 3, 2008 22:15:27 GMT -6
Racism is another thing that shackles us to this world. Since I believe we are primarily spirits traped and caught up with physical form, race has no bearings. Expecially when the physical body croaks.. and it will.. so focus on spiritual developement and how your spirit will look, THAT is what can be eternal! I do agree that we should be aware and proud of ALL of our Racial backgrounds from a cultural point of view, as getting in touch with your ancester's religions can help in our goal to become "pure" spirit. My Germanic side makes me interested in learning about and LOVING all Germanic things, such as Rune magick, as well as my knowlege of my Native American side inspired me to learn about Shamanism. Ancestral Spirits just seem to react better others, though that is also why the A:O are even slightly interested in us.. because we share a racial background.. or at least we are linked by blood.. basically I find working with Germanic or Native American entities give me better reactions than working with, lets say, Kali, who is Indian. She will work with me, but it takes longer to get results with her.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 9, 2008 23:57:25 GMT -6
yeah isnt that a trip? im a HUUUUGE proponent of genetic memory, that things other than physical features get passed onto children. thats why the gods of your ancestors respond to you and not those of cultures whose blood doesnt flow in you.
at least, thats my hypothesis. i firmly believe in that.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Oct 10, 2008 7:48:21 GMT -6
I believe that many Gods, such as Odin, are acctually like the first of a type of race, or at least an importaint Chieftain, that they were men at one time and accended to Godhood. They ARE ancestors of, for Odin's example, ALL germanic people, and maybe THAT is why they take special interest? yeah isnt that a trip? im a HUUUUGE proponent of genetic memory, that things other than physical features get passed onto children. thats why the gods of your ancestors respond to you and not those of cultures whose blood doesnt flow in you. at least, thats my hypothesis. i firmly believe in that.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 10, 2008 10:28:56 GMT -6
I believe that many Gods, such as Odin, are acctually like the first of a type of race, or at least an importaint Chieftain, that they were men at one time and accended to Godhood. They ARE ancestors of, for Odin's example, ALL germanic people, and maybe THAT is why they take special interest? yeah isnt that a trip? im a HUUUUGE proponent of genetic memory, that things other than physical features get passed onto children. thats why the gods of your ancestors respond to you and not those of cultures whose blood doesnt flow in you. at least, thats my hypothesis. i firmly believe in that. hmm... im not with you on all that, man. as a Cultist and my Brother, i respect the shit out of you and your opinion you know that, but yeah i think all gods are thought-forms. just some of them have had their stories told for so long they have more power than others. or something. i cant (well i dont think anyone can) be quite certain. i am a believer in the one-world myth. man worships the stars and nature. every religion on earth without exception is basd on that. not telling you you're wrong though man, dont take it that way. i dont know. i just dont at this point in time agree, meaning i sway the other way. that would be a trip if you were right though... give us more hope that perhaps WE could attain godhood! just how would one go about attaining the status of a god, do you think??
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Jan 23, 2010 13:18:22 GMT -6
luxcthonis, if I ever see you I'm going to give you a great big bear hug. You summarized so many of my beliefs and so well. My cultural heritage is of a strong Irish blend. My culture is rich, just as rich as that of any African American or Jew. No my people were not slaves, no my people did not wander the sands to build a new home. The Celts did however accomplish a lot of things significantly impressive though.
I befriend people of other nationalities. I learn what I can of their histories and customs, though I only practice my own. I look out for the white race. Where is the racism there?
I hear about "Melting pots" all the time. Well, let me say just this; mixing bread, tomato sauce, and cheese sure do make a swell pizza, but I don't mix my pizza and my cornflakes together. Coexistence is a wonderful thing. I don't want all the blacks to leave America, I love having them here. I just want people to think before they breed. A nation with everyone mixed into one race would be a far less diversified place. I want to preserve the uniqueness of all races, particularly my own.
You want to know who the real racists are? The white kids who pretend to be black because they can't just listen to a rapper sing about his race. It's the authorities that tip toe around the fact that we're not the same. We'll the secret is out. We are different, and I think it's a good thing. I like not being just like a Japanese man, or Hispanic. I hope they like being different from me.
Awake!
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Jan 23, 2010 17:09:21 GMT -6
luxcthonis, if I ever see you I'm going to give you a great big bear hug. You summarized so many of my beliefs and so well. My cultural heritage is of a strong Irish blend. My culture is rich, just as rich as that of any African American or Jew. No my people were not slaves, no my people did not wander the sands to build a new home. The Celts did however accomplish a lot of things significantly impressive though. I befriend people of other nationalities. I learn what I can of their histories and customs, though I only practice my own. I look out for the white race. Where is the racism there? I hear about "Melting pots" all the time. Well, let me say just this; mixing bread, tomato sauce, and cheese sure do make a swell pizza, but I don't mix my pizza and my cornflakes together. Coexistence is a wonderful thing. I don't want all the blacks to leave America, I love having them here. I just want people to think before they breed. A nation with everyone mixed into one race would be a far less diversified place. I want to preserve the uniqueness of all races, particularly my own. You want to know who the real racists are? The white kids who pretend to be black because they can't just listen to a rapper sing about his race. It's the authorities that tip toe around the fact that we're not the same. We'll the secret is out. We are different, and I think it's a good thing. I like not being just like a Japanese man, or Hispanic. I hope they like being different from me. Awake! A german woman who was a naturalized citizen shopping at my work one day said this: instead of official documents asking for race, it should have "Born Citizen, Immigrated Citizen, or NON-Citizen". Her point being that here in America, we are a bit of everything. We are MUTTS. Just like in Ancient Rome, we are many races, and THAT makes us strong. She said that take dogs for example. You have a purebred, they look nice but tend to have different health problems, but a mutt, because of it's diverse genes, will suffer less issues than a certain breed. Diversity is a GOOD thing, and I am PROUD to be German, Irish, Scottish, French, Polish, Italian, and 2 types of Native American damnit! But I cannot hold claim to one race. The trend I see that gets on my nerves is African Americans being racist. And many African Americans who seperate themselves from others forget this fact that unless BOTH parents came from Africa, they probably have other things in them, so DROP the African title.. you are American, just like everyone else. In fact, if you were not BORN in that country, you cannot even really claim it. Sorry about the rant.. AWAKE! Esbara'Kesh
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Jan 23, 2010 23:23:51 GMT -6
I don't agree with everything you say Esbara'kesh, but your point about African Americans seems true generally. A lot of them are citizens of the US, but seem completely separate from the the mainstream culture. This seems dangerous to me, like a cancer. Over all though the beneficial aspects of African Americans far outweigh the negative. Really it's not so much their race as the education, family standards, and bad habits acquired from those around them. Really it's the gangster phenomenon which is the problem because it romanticizes a violence in racial identity rather then the aspect. Basically a rapist is expected to be hostile whereas a jazz musician would be quite appalled at talking about "hoes and cop killin'."
On the subject of mutts, I do like mixed breeds, but dare to imagine a world with no Himalayan cats, no Persians, or in the case of dogs, the beautiful Japanese dogs on which the foo dogs of legend were based. I didn't say that races shouldn't breed together. As you say mutts have many uses. I just think that breeding out an entire race is a bad idea. Also to throw this out Rome was well over fifty percent populated by people descended from the Italian sections of the Roman Empire. Foreigners were a flavor addition not the main course.
Awake!
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Jan 24, 2010 9:31:12 GMT -6
I don't agree with everything you say Esbara'kesh, but your point about African Americans seems true generally. A lot of them are citizens of the US, but seem completely separate from the the mainstream culture. This seems dangerous to me, like a cancer. Over all though the beneficial aspects of African Americans far outweigh the negative. Really it's not so much their race as the education, family standards, and bad habits acquired from those around them. Really it's the gangster phenomenon which is the problem because it romanticizes a violence in racial identity rather then the aspect. Basically a rapist is expected to be hostile whereas a jazz musician would be quite appalled at talking about "hoes and cop killin'." On the subject of mutts, I do like mixed breeds, but dare to imagine a world with no Himalayan cats, no Persians, or in the case of dogs, the beautiful Japanese dogs on which the foo dogs of legend were based. I didn't say that races shouldn't breed together. As you say mutts have many uses. I just think that breeding out an entire race is a bad idea. Also to throw this out Rome was well over fifty percent populated by people descended from the Italian sections of the Roman Empire. Foreigners were a flavor addition not the main course. Ya, it is the whole "gangsters are cool" mentality, NOT the race. I know alot of Black people at work who are NOT like that at all.. they work HARD for their money, they know that you have to EARN respect, you dont just get it. I am sickened when some equate themselves with various Mafias. Every Mafia I think of owns LARGE properties, casinos, helicopters and personal Jets.. I would like to see one dope-slinging gangsta off the street make it that far, and maybe THEN I would respect them more. Real Mafias are based (at least the Italian ones) on old Noble family houses. Their ancestors were Knights who protected the Italian throne. Much of the general public in general has a sense of entitlement that makes me sick. Working with the public regularly only helps me see more of the flaws in society. I don't think other races should be bred out. I'm just saying no matter what we are made of the same matter. I do think that if a race is bred out too much (Native Americans.. see how many full-blooded you can find) then part of the culture is lost over time. That gets rid of the uniqueness of the world, making it a dull place. Would you want to visit another country if everyone's culture would be the same as your county's? I wouldn't, as it would defeat the purpose. I don't have anything against purebred dogs.. would LOVE to have a one of the breeds of Husky some day in fact. Just stating a fact that if only a certain group breed, the chances of problems being passed genetically and showing up are increased. For example, Sickle Cell Anemia. Two African descendants have a kid, and they both carry that gene, they can have a kid with that illness. If a carrier bred with someone of European decent, and Europeans NEVER carry that gene, and the family bred with non-African descendant people from that point on, you would have a list of carriers but none to suffer from the illness. Carriers are immune to Malaria. I'm just saying through selective breeding, one can make stronger offspring. I'm sure if more research is done, MORE immunities can be found as well. His Ichor Cleanses the Sins of all mankind... Esbara'Kesh
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Jan 24, 2010 10:05:17 GMT -6
I think Native Americans are a particularly tragic point. By this point they probably are mostly bred out, but we have to remember that has a lot to do with the early settlers doing a good bit of the ol' genocide. Native Americans is a pretty deceitful term, though. I was born here and my parents were born here. It has more to do with relative nativity. Really there are no "Native Americans." There were once many unique and fascinating tribes and now there are few.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 24, 2010 12:53:13 GMT -6
True, but Native American is probably more accurate and acceptable than either Indian or Red Skin.
What does the forum think of the theory which predicts all races mixing to the point where no major racial distinctions will exist 100 or so years from now? Personally, I don't buy into that, but some scientists claim it's a possibility.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Jan 24, 2010 14:00:28 GMT -6
High Priest Venger Satanis, do you recommend calling them Indian or identifying which actual tribe they descend from? I would find it much less insulting to be called a Cherokee or a Navajo then just a "Native American".
I'm not sure if the idea of one race is even possible. Doesn't climate have some say on things like that. Peoples like the Bedouin or the Eskimo certainly seem to show that sun effects pigment.
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jan 24, 2010 15:47:18 GMT -6
True, but Native American is probably more accurate and acceptable than either Indian or Red Skin.
What does the forum think of the theory which predicts all races mixing to the point where no major racial distinctions will exist 100 or so years from now? Personally, I don't buy into that, but some scientists claim it's a possibility.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
I believe that to be highly unlikely, although not completely impossible. It would probably take a lot longer than 100 years to integrate every race on earth together to the point there would be no distinctions any longer. Especially if you consider the fact that many people seem to couple with those of their own race. Not that there is anything wrong with interracial relationships, it's still not all too prevalent. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 24, 2010 21:48:47 GMT -6
True, but Native American is probably more accurate and acceptable than either Indian or Red Skin.
What does the forum think of the theory which predicts all races mixing to the point where no major racial distinctions will exist 100 or so years from now? Personally, I don't buy into that, but some scientists claim it's a possibility.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
I personally think it's highly unlikely. There are just too many full blooded ethnics.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Jan 25, 2010 0:23:21 GMT -6
True, but Native American is probably more accurate and acceptable than either Indian or Red Skin.
What does the forum think of the theory which predicts all races mixing to the point where no major racial distinctions will exist 100 or so years from now? Personally, I don't buy into that, but some scientists claim it's a possibility.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
IMO: if countries like the USA or maybe the UK stopped immigration. so all the current inhabitants had a limited amount of their own race. then yes i think eventually the genetics would blend(not with in a hundred years, that's only like 2-3 generations) however the global circumstance keeps the races separate. in places like the middle east or Africa where not going to see the people become some kind of black-white-yellow-red-green-brown mutt. certainly not within a hundred years.
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Post by egodiabolus on Jan 25, 2010 19:01:59 GMT -6
The following article was originally written for Helium.com, and has held the #1 position on the subject "The Hypocrisy of Racism" for over a year now. It is worth a little more than two pennies, but I don't mind splurging when it comes to the Cult of Cthulhu.
I would like to begin this article by stating clearly that I am opposed to any racially inspired activity. I feel that a mature intellect should be able to rise above his or her racially motivated inclinations and make decisions with a minimal amount of bias. I truly feel that all individuals should be judged based on their own merits.
That said, it is not my intention to write a popular article. Indeed, I intend to be bluntly honest about this topic and to give voice to views which, while I feel we are all aware of them, are shunned by most who discuss the topic. Even if this article offends you, I hope it will make you consider your own motivations and convictions.
Racism exists. It is not going away. It is hard-wired into our psyche. People make judgment choices constantly; the more familiar something is then the more likely we are to accept and trust it. It is a survival instinct that thankfully has been a part of our evolutionary process. Another term for this process is "tribalization", people tend to congregate, commune, and trade more fairly with people who are like themselves. This is human nature and it is not going to disappear anytime soon. All cultures, ethnic groups, or "races", are guilty of this behavior to one degree or another, often to an extent most would not like to admit. This process even extends to geography; people trust people from "the neighborhood" more than they trust an outsider. Biologically, this is a sensible solution to many potential problems.
Where the conflict arises is when we, as a society, have established a set of rules and behavior paradigms which cross all sub-groups within that society, yet we as an individual organism fail to choose intellectual imperative over our biological one. Regardless of "race", ethnicity, culture, or geography, a civilized society exists when a certain homogenization of behaviors and values exists throughout. A person traveling from the East Coast of the US to the West Coast can expect that many of the values and laws familiar to them continue to exist. A Muslim is still expected to adhere to the same general standards as a Christian, a Caucasian ideally is held to the same laws as a Hispanic. When we allow our biological bias to influence our intellectual decision making without rational cause, we commit "racism". This, too, exists in all cultures, all ethnic groups. Being white does not make one immune to the pains of racism.
We, as a society, need to come to terms with racism. The concept of making it "go away" simply is impractical and goes against our very biology. A baby clings to its familiar mother while shunning those who are unfamiliar. That kind of behavior cannot be trained out of a person. Instead, we must be aware of this biological urge on an intellectual level, tolerant of its effect on our decision making and the decisions of others, and we must seek to instead judge individuals by their own merits. We each must make the conscious choice to ignore our biology and rise above our instincts. As creatures of intellect, this is well within our grasp.
The process, of course, cuts both ways. Just as we seek to judge others based on individual merit while minimizing regard to race, we must also seek to reduce our individual participation in the "stereo-typical" behaviors that have come to color our ethnic groups in a negative manner. This is the stumbling block our society continues to fall upon when dealing with racism. The society works at cross-purposes. It tells one side of the issue to be ignorant of race, to set aside racial prejudice, to be tolerant and "blend in". At the same time, it tells other groups, typically those considered "disenfranchised", to revel in their differences, to hold true to their ethnicity, that they are special and deserving because they are persecuted. Society can not move past this issue while it is in conflict with its self on how it deals with the issue.
This idea of being judged based on one's own merit is a threat to far too many individuals. This is a sad state of affairs in our society when you consider our history of self-sufficiency, internal resolve, and creative innovation. It has become too easy to cast blame on circumstance rather than accept responsibility and recognize one's own short-comings. Yet, being equal means being prepared to be judged based on what one can produce, what one is capable of, and what one has proven in the past. Being equal means that you are responsible for yourself, just like anyone else, with no one to blame for your failings and no one who can take from your successes! Yet, their are individuals who would rather wallow in poverty as long as they are given just enough by government mandate than to actually take a stake in their own success. Their are groups that exist only to perpetuate themselves through the suffering of others by ensuring that some people always feel trodden upon, even when society has long since put forth its hand in brotherhood and equality.
We, as a society, need to accept that their are differences between us. We may belong to one "species", but just as is found in any other animal, we are of different breeds. Each ethnic group has adapted itself to some evolutionary function which continues to distinguish that group from all others. Humanity is wonderfully adaptable and wonderfully diverse. While that biological diversity is essential to our continued survival, just as with any other species, it should not impede our interactions as a society. Socially, we need to move away from race as an issue, we need to finally decide that the issue of race is below us. We need to choose to stop defining ourselves along racial lines; no more "African, European, Asian, Mexican" (or whatever) American (or whatever). We need to be an self-responsible individual first, a functional member of our society second, and our particular ethnic distinction last.
We need to accept that we will be measured and weighed based on our own merit, and be responsible for ourselves as individuals. Gone are the days when an individual could blame history for their current state. Gone are the days when a person could point to the advantages of another as the cause of their own short-comings. And why have these days moved passed us? Because we can choose to make it so! If an individual or group chooses to cling to the issues of race, we must all pause, and question why? What motivates that person, that group, that culture, to say they are persecuted? From where does this persecution arise? Is it because they refuse to join the rest of society in our common rules, our common values, and our common behaviors? Is it because they refuse to mature intellectually, and instead wish to wallow, child-like, demanding to be nurtured by others rather than standing on their own?
What do we say of the groups that refuse to relinquish their racially motivated values? The white supremacist is a perfect example of what happens to a "racist" in our society, and how they should be handled. They become pariah, shunned by their more enlightened peers. They find themselves regulated to minimum wage employment, unable to benefit from the opportunities around them because they cannot get beyond themselves and join the greater society. And when they cry that they are being treated unfairly, we ignore their hypocrisy! This treatment needs to extend to all who cling to the old ideas of race, regardless of the ethnicity of the source. All should be required to join the mature society, encouraged to regulate their cultural differences to only those venues we as a society deem appropriate. No more tolerance for abhorrent behaviors simply because they are committed by someone deemed "disenfranchised" racially. No more unearned advantages to those who would profit from "racial guilt". Any who demand equality while insisting that their ethnicity affords them special consideration should be shunned for their hypocrisy!
And, while this practice of demanding equality while insisting to refuse the responsibilities inherent in being equal is often most observable in certain individuals, we must be ever vigilant as a society against those elements we have embraced in brotherhood who would use just such circumstances to their advantage. We must insist, as a society, that one cannot require equality when also demanding special treatment or refusing to extend equality to others. Religions who demand equal position and opportunity in our society while persisting in their own racially motivated programs and practices should be shunned! Cultures which insist on equal privilege who then demand to refuse our laws as recognition of their culture should be ostracized. We must cut away racism, regardless of its form. We must demand that our society take priority.
We must make peace with our racial bias. We must recognize what it is and why it exists. Then, we must choose to be citizens of a greater society and not limited to our ethnic predestination. Being black, white, Asian, Hispanic, or whatever is a simple matter of circumstance. We must choose to be racially responsible and socially respectable. Tribalization serves a purpose, but once it becomes a stumbling-block, we must show the sense of self to overcome its influence. Being "humane" is a matter of choice, and we should stand together, appreciate our biological differences, be aware of our diverse cultural heritage, and still staunchly in support of being one humanity.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Jan 25, 2010 22:00:30 GMT -6
Nicely put! Even if just on the subconcious level, one will think their lineage superior over another's.. which is a form of racism, as one would think THEIR people are better. For those who dont feel that way about their ancestors, do some research on them and that may change. But ya, we shouldnt get hung up on race.. although Asian women are HOT (expecially Ziyi Zhang and Bai Ling, although Ling is sort of twiggy..). AWAKE!
The following article was originally written for Helium.com, and has held the #1 position on the subject "The Hypocrisy of Racism" for over a year now. It is worth a little more than two pennies, but I don't mind splurging when it comes to the Cult of Cthulhu.
I would like to begin this article by stating clearly that I am opposed to any racially inspired activity. I feel that a mature intellect should be able to rise above his or her racially motivated inclinations and make decisions with a minimal amount of bias. I truly feel that all individuals should be judged based on their own merits.
That said, it is not my intention to write a popular article. Indeed, I intend to be bluntly honest about this topic and to give voice to views which, while I feel we are all aware of them, are shunned by most who discuss the topic. Even if this article offends you, I hope it will make you consider your own motivations and convictions.
Racism exists. It is not going away. It is hard-wired into our psyche. People make judgment choices constantly; the more familiar something is then the more likely we are to accept and trust it. It is a survival instinct that thankfully has been a part of our evolutionary process. Another term for this process is "tribalization", people tend to congregate, commune, and trade more fairly with people who are like themselves. This is human nature and it is not going to disappear anytime soon. All cultures, ethnic groups, or "races", are guilty of this behavior to one degree or another, often to an extent most would not like to admit. This process even extends to geography; people trust people from "the neighborhood" more than they trust an outsider. Biologically, this is a sensible solution to many potential problems.
Where the conflict arises is when we, as a society, have established a set of rules and behavior paradigms which cross all sub-groups within that society, yet we as an individual organism fail to choose intellectual imperative over our biological one. Regardless of "race", ethnicity, culture, or geography, a civilized society exists when a certain homogenization of behaviors and values exists throughout. A person traveling from the East Coast of the US to the West Coast can expect that many of the values and laws familiar to them continue to exist. A Muslim is still expected to adhere to the same general standards as a Christian, a Caucasian ideally is held to the same laws as a Hispanic. When we allow our biological bias to influence our intellectual decision making without rational cause, we commit "racism". This, too, exists in all cultures, all ethnic groups. Being white does not make one immune to the pains of racism.
We, as a society, need to come to terms with racism. The concept of making it "go away" simply is impractical and goes against our very biology. A baby clings to its familiar mother while shunning those who are unfamiliar. That kind of behavior cannot be trained out of a person. Instead, we must be aware of this biological urge on an intellectual level, tolerant of its effect on our decision making and the decisions of others, and we must seek to instead judge individuals by their own merits. We each must make the conscious choice to ignore our biology and rise above our instincts. As creatures of intellect, this is well within our grasp.
The process, of course, cuts both ways. Just as we seek to judge others based on individual merit while minimizing regard to race, we must also seek to reduce our individual participation in the "stereo-typical" behaviors that have come to color our ethnic groups in a negative manner. This is the stumbling block our society continues to fall upon when dealing with racism. The society works at cross-purposes. It tells one side of the issue to be ignorant of race, to set aside racial prejudice, to be tolerant and "blend in". At the same time, it tells other groups, typically those considered "disenfranchised", to revel in their differences, to hold true to their ethnicity, that they are special and deserving because they are persecuted. Society can not move past this issue while it is in conflict with its self on how it deals with the issue.
This idea of being judged based on one's own merit is a threat to far too many individuals. This is a sad state of affairs in our society when you consider our history of self-sufficiency, internal resolve, and creative innovation. It has become too easy to cast blame on circumstance rather than accept responsibility and recognize one's own short-comings. Yet, being equal means being prepared to be judged based on what one can produce, what one is capable of, and what one has proven in the past. Being equal means that you are responsible for yourself, just like anyone else, with no one to blame for your failings and no one who can take from your successes! Yet, their are individuals who would rather wallow in poverty as long as they are given just enough by government mandate than to actually take a stake in their own success. Their are groups that exist only to perpetuate themselves through the suffering of others by ensuring that some people always feel trodden upon, even when society has long since put forth its hand in brotherhood and equality.
We, as a society, need to accept that their are differences between us. We may belong to one "species", but just as is found in any other animal, we are of different breeds. Each ethnic group has adapted itself to some evolutionary function which continues to distinguish that group from all others. Humanity is wonderfully adaptable and wonderfully diverse. While that biological diversity is essential to our continued survival, just as with any other species, it should not impede our interactions as a society. Socially, we need to move away from race as an issue, we need to finally decide that the issue of race is below us. We need to choose to stop defining ourselves along racial lines; no more "African, European, Asian, Mexican" (or whatever) American (or whatever). We need to be an self-responsible individual first, a functional member of our society second, and our particular ethnic distinction last.
We need to accept that we will be measured and weighed based on our own merit, and be responsible for ourselves as individuals. Gone are the days when an individual could blame history for their current state. Gone are the days when a person could point to the advantages of another as the cause of their own short-comings. And why have these days moved passed us? Because we can choose to make it so! If an individual or group chooses to cling to the issues of race, we must all pause, and question why? What motivates that person, that group, that culture, to say they are persecuted? From where does this persecution arise? Is it because they refuse to join the rest of society in our common rules, our common values, and our common behaviors? Is it because they refuse to mature intellectually, and instead wish to wallow, child-like, demanding to be nurtured by others rather than standing on their own?
What do we say of the groups that refuse to relinquish their racially motivated values? The white supremacist is a perfect example of what happens to a "racist" in our society, and how they should be handled. They become pariah, shunned by their more enlightened peers. They find themselves regulated to minimum wage employment, unable to benefit from the opportunities around them because they cannot get beyond themselves and join the greater society. And when they cry that they are being treated unfairly, we ignore their hypocrisy! This treatment needs to extend to all who cling to the old ideas of race, regardless of the ethnicity of the source. All should be required to join the mature society, encouraged to regulate their cultural differences to only those venues we as a society deem appropriate. No more tolerance for abhorrent behaviors simply because they are committed by someone deemed "disenfranchised" racially. No more unearned advantages to those who would profit from "racial guilt". Any who demand equality while insisting that their ethnicity affords them special consideration should be shunned for their hypocrisy!
And, while this practice of demanding equality while insisting to refuse the responsibilities inherent in being equal is often most observable in certain individuals, we must be ever vigilant as a society against those elements we have embraced in brotherhood who would use just such circumstances to their advantage. We must insist, as a society, that one cannot require equality when also demanding special treatment or refusing to extend equality to others. Religions who demand equal position and opportunity in our society while persisting in their own racially motivated programs and practices should be shunned! Cultures which insist on equal privilege who then demand to refuse our laws as recognition of their culture should be ostracized. We must cut away racism, regardless of its form. We must demand that our society take priority.
We must make peace with our racial bias. We must recognize what it is and why it exists. Then, we must choose to be citizens of a greater society and not limited to our ethnic predestination. Being black, white, Asian, Hispanic, or whatever is a simple matter of circumstance. We must choose to be racially responsible and socially respectable. Tribalization serves a purpose, but once it becomes a stumbling-block, we must show the sense of self to overcome its influence. Being "humane" is a matter of choice, and we should stand together, appreciate our biological differences, be aware of our diverse cultural heritage, and still staunchly in support of being one humanity.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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