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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 26, 2010 18:50:15 GMT -6
I know in other religions, they demand a verbal contract of loyalty. Its not unreasonable. But to call ones self a Cthulhu cultist? That's pretty specific. I wouldn't want to follow people in authority who weren't loyal by oath to Venger. So for leadership I say absolutely. Awake! Even if that Cultist has shown their loyalty to the success of the organization through various activities and agrees with High Priest Satanis on most of his philosophical and spiritual beliefs? Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 26, 2010 19:59:43 GMT -6
Perfect time for others to respond. Ill wait.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 27, 2010 0:49:59 GMT -6
I feel whatever bond was created would have to be reciprocal. I would not expect someone to be loyal to me without me being loyal to them in return. The higher degree of consideration would hopefully bind us to each other and the cause. Another example of you get out what you put in.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 28, 2010 0:01:29 GMT -6
I feel whatever bond was created would have to be reciprocal. I would not expect someone to be loyal to me without me being loyal to them in return. The higher degree of consideration would hopefully bind us to each other and the cause. Another example of you get out what you put in.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
I think this goes without saying. The idea of trust and loyalty would have to be from both parties involved; otherwise it would be meaningless to the greater good. When the stars are right... Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Dec 6, 2010 9:20:56 GMT -6
Well Apsara Kamalli, I did some heavy thinking &praying about our discussion & change my view. For the Cult to be as strong as possible, it should allow the Cultist to be in high places in a number of different organizations. Which unfortunately would mean them pledging counter loyalties.
So the strength would be not in a pledge, but in the actions of the Cultist. The acquisition of personal/group power & enlightenment is our goal as a Left Hand Path organization. The Cult is its own entity & could be thought of as the Fight Club of the mass religions out there. What happens in the COC, stays in the COC. That way we could have, pastors,Rabbi's & Evangelists out doing the Work in secret. Requiting & influencing on levels & in places that would otherwise be hostile to us. Molding minds & more importantly acquiring more power & information for the Cult.
So yes, I agree. I believe the "power" of the Cult will be in its spirit/purpose & as for the undying loyalty...I think that statement can still be made without crossing out other obligations. We do make those same commitments to spouse, job & family. Definitely the Priesthood should be either loyal to Venger, or the Cult. Then again Venger is the Cult.
Im trying my best to wrap my brain around this one lol. Could be a pretty important legality issue about authority & Cthulhu doctrine in the years to come. Will be pretty important that's for sure.
Pretty ruff.
Awake!
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 8, 2010 6:25:58 GMT -6
boksmutanis In what context and how did you pray? Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by boksmutant on Dec 8, 2010 6:48:27 GMT -6
I haven't quite decided what the most comfortable way to always pray is ,but I went with my old Christian way. Kneeling with hands together & head bowed. At other times I would just close my eyes & focus on the vibrational level my mind sends out. Focus my voice into the heavens as if my mind was as empty as space its self. Till I could only hear my prayer being echoed into the void.
But Ive been working on having a better connection as of late, & a flood of ideas came rushing in. Did that answer your question brother? Prayer can be a powerful thing. Call it meditation or accessing your higher self. Either way you'll tape into the unknowable. A lot of things become available at that point.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 9, 2010 7:15:22 GMT -6
boksmutanis
Right since I have got the giggles out of my system its time to be serious.
!!!Props to you brother!!! Very impressed by you using prayer as a method to your workings.
I myself use Amen from time to time instead of saying HAIL or equivilent, its whatever works for the individual.
Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by sin on Apr 8, 2011 13:07:39 GMT -6
Are you still instituting the degree system? Do you have a public roster of degree holders? I would be interested in communicating with those who hold degrees.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 8, 2011 13:22:27 GMT -6
Are you still instituting the degree system? Do you have a public roster of degree holders? I would be interested in communicating with those who hold degrees. Yes, but our degree system has been revised (see original post in this thread).
No public roster. The degree holders active on this forum should be able to stand up and be counted if they wish... and engage in communication with you.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on Apr 8, 2011 14:05:32 GMT -6
Interesting stuff, thanks for the update.
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Post by Voraxith on Sept 4, 2011 3:20:33 GMT -6
Personally, I rather like the added degrees. It prevents the Cult from being too easily infiltrated by posers and fakers who aren't willing to do any actual Work. Recognition and advancement should only go to those willing to exert effort for such recognition and advancement.
Of course, on the flip side of that coin is the fact that such recognition and advancement is completely meaningless. I mean, we can give ourselves all the titles and adulations we want, and it doesn't change a damn thing in the eyes of the Ancient Ones.
One of the things that the Original LHP did was to completely dissolve their "official" grotto system back in the '70s, because LaVey was disgusted by the idea of the Church of Satan becoming a mere social club where people collected colored pentagrams like badges on Facespace or some such nonsense.
Ultimately, I can think of Venger, or Venger can think of you, or you can think of me whatever the hell we want to think. The proof is in the puddin', as ol' Bill Cosby would say, and I say stop focusing on the color of your font on the forum or the title you get to put after your name, and just get out there and BE a priest of Cthulhu, in thought, in word, and in deed.
So that's my view, not that anyone asked. But then, that's the beauty of the Left Hand Path: I do what I want, and I don't give a damn what you think about it: I'm a god-damn mother-fucking god. ;D
[glow=red,2,300]Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn![/glow]
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Post by cakeshog on Sept 4, 2011 16:26:31 GMT -6
This Is Totally Awesome..Cant say How Much i Like it And Now The Users will Put More into The CoC! Great!..Just Great!..Now i Only Need More Time And Then i can Start Right Away! Damn School..
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Post by bizzzaro66 on Sept 13, 2011 15:11:30 GMT -6
I would love to see the Cult out in the real world...if anyone's in my area. Also, I was wondering what is the Cult's opinion on the OTO?
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Post by Kai'zen on Sept 13, 2011 16:49:33 GMT -6
As for the Cult out in the real world, that's my mission statement!! A Cult of Cthulhu poster (the one with the sexy green chick) in every mens bathroom! Everywhere! (I'm sure someone's been tempted into achieving Gnosis). A nationwide grotto to spread the word of the Ancient Old Ones!!!
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu F'tagn!
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2011 9:14:18 GMT -6
I think what is getting lost here, is that these 'titles' are merely recognized progression. It's not for the outside world to recognize me as { fill in the blank }, it means nothing. This is, essentially, the use of fellowship, and noting when a person has truly taken their lives up a notch. It can be something as simple as over-coming a character flaw, or developing more critical thinking skills to make better decisions. Accomplishments, are not always material.
I can recognize when a noob ascends to a level of progress - the title is merely an indicator of how much progress one has made, with use of the paradigm.
That's my .02 - rinse and repeat.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 15, 2011 11:49:38 GMT -6
I think what is getting lost here, is that these 'titles' are merely recognized progression. It's not for the outside world to recognize me as { fill in the blank }, it means nothing. This is, essentially, the use of fellowship, and noting when a person has truly taken their lives up a notch. It can be something as simple as over-coming a character flaw, or developing more critical thinking skills to make better decisions. Accomplishments, are not always material. I can recognize when a noob ascends to a level of progress - the title is merely an indicator of how much progress one has made, with use of the paradigm. That's my .02 - rinse and repeat. No! My lawful evil, Dark Elf ranger / anti-paladin shall be recognized as 13th level. This... I command!!!
Actually, Priestess of R'lyeh Cora'Sahn is right. Not many people outside the CoC will know what the hell our degrees signify. Some won't even know what oneironaut or nigrescent means, for Cthulhu's sake! God damn savages.
However, as the Cult of Cthulhu flourishes, recognition will follow. The profane will eventually have a glimmer of understanding based upon their oblique view of our slimy green wisdom. Until that day, let these degrees give us an indication of our individual progress. They are for us.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Voraxith on Sept 19, 2011 4:56:42 GMT -6
What's up with the early rigidity of doing the whole 'degree' thing? In my humble opinion, one would do better to arrange a cult basing their degrees on military ranking to further the distance of Abraham religions. I believe the Old Ones rather have Their religion based on War and it's bloodletting of humanity to appease Them. I got to say that I actually like that idea. Obviously not to supplant the current system, but perhaps as some way to augment it, or perhaps for a specific order or branch of the Cult?
It certainly seems that there should be some sort of quasi- or paramilitant branch of Cthulhu Cultists, ready to speak the words "Remember Yourself" just as they perform the very act that ol' Satanic Zack wants to criticize on YouTube. But then, what the hell do I know? [glow=red,2,300]Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn![/glow]
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Post by sin on Sept 19, 2011 8:05:24 GMT -6
Vying for titles to be recognized by whom exactly and for accomplishing what?
Again, the degree system interpretation is getting lost here.
Please re-read my commentary, and Venger's response.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 19, 2011 12:30:36 GMT -6
Our degree system is based upon the stuff of Aleister Crowley, Anton LaVey, Michael Aquino (who was military minded), and loads of other occultists. Any similarity to other religions is absolutely intentional.
You might have a problem with Esoteric or Gnostic Christianity, transhumanism, but I don't. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater is a commonplace error of which we must always be mindful. The degree system already in place is doing just fine.
Here's a militant saying for you: "Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way."
Awake!
VS
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Post by dudetyson on Sept 19, 2011 13:41:37 GMT -6
I find the degree system most useful for its insane names. I like to imagine introducing myself to people in public by my Cult rank. I never actually do this but it makes me think. Besides the initial comedy value, which is considerable, there is actually something significant to it. Imagine actually enacting what your rank name suggests, being it, serving that role outside the cult.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 15:10:31 GMT -6
I find the degree system most useful for its insane names. I like to imagine introducing myself to people in public by my Cult rank. I never actually do this but it makes me think. Besides the initial comedy value, which is considerable, there is actually something significant to it. Imagine actually enacting what your rank name suggests, being it, serving that role outside the cult. I agree !
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn.
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Post by boksmutant on Sept 21, 2011 0:00:08 GMT -6
Yep:)
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Post by Verins'Sharaz on Oct 11, 2011 23:32:08 GMT -6
There always needs to be a pecking order; & a pecker to peck the peckers! Excuse my fever-addled ramblings as I am somewhere beyond righteous angles of the humans right now. As I've said before, titles are useful as benchmarks, not as ice cream cones to tease your friends with. They reflect understanding, experience, & one would hope wisdom gained from the journey. The deeper the spiral twists, the more unwholesome the angles; the more alien the mind! Stepping forward is stepping back; so to remember what we truly are. As for me...I'm the Pecker!!!!! Hee hee hee!!!!
Awake!
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Post by charlie_warren on Jun 24, 2013 16:15:27 GMT -6
Looks good!
Awake!
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Post by JackLuciferi on Aug 6, 2013 4:17:36 GMT -6
Hey Venger Satanas, I am new here and after studying the cult I think I might be interested in being initiated into the cult. If you can help get me on the right track with all this and give me a deeper understanding that would be awesome :3 The three paths I saw you mentioned, is the Esoteric path more closely related to Luciferianism? Just curious thanks for your time. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by nihilus on Jul 18, 2014 17:22:00 GMT -6
The goal of the dark is to prevent revelations from being fulfilled, in other words preventing world war 3 etc...
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