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Post by Madguten on Jan 5, 2009 18:58:33 GMT -6
Perhaps. I have not seen anything that disproves that statement. It is fruit for thought, but who is NOT mad. Yes, for me that speculation never stops (i think). All i know for sure to this day is that if Lovecraft was not touched/inspired/called by this undefined "THING" (which i myself feel), then he was truly a genius, its funny with that word btw way, genius, i tried looking it up and first i read that it has origins in the word genesis, but at wiktionary it also says, From Latin genius (“‘the guardian spirit of a person, spirit, inclination, wit, genius, literally 'inborn nature'’”) < gignere (“‘to beget, produce’”), OL. genere, the root gen; see genus.Yeah, i trip at how the deepest creatures of the seas here on Earth seem to be touched in their physical shapes by the dreams of the Drowned Lord. Perhaps all beings are touched by Cthulhu and certain A:O, i do not know. Illuminating Squids (for the heck of it) www.blinkx.com/video/giant-squid-caught-on-camera/jpuHOXdqB15eM9EpJKDCdwThe subject IS a good brain exercise, each A:O is a grand mystery to be unfolded (and folded). IA! IA! KTULU FTAGN!
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Post by misindra on Jan 21, 2009 14:43:34 GMT -6
I'm sure he would choose one of us as a snack.
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Post by Narlool L'Pah on Jan 21, 2009 17:53:22 GMT -6
I'm sure he would choose one of us as a snack. Welcome to COC MisIndra
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Jan 21, 2009 21:19:18 GMT -6
Check my quote.. that is what will happen.. When will we know when the time is? "The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild, and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom." What that means is open to interpretation. Will we become immortal interidimensional beings? Perhaps we do when we die anyways? Would that mean that once all of mankind is physically dead, we will become like the Old Ones? I also heard that those who can be and are willing to be taught will be, and those who are incapable or unwilling will be used as slaves and/or food.
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Post by 300 on Jan 24, 2009 6:34:34 GMT -6
Isnt there some preductions that it should happened 2012.?
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Post by Madguten on Feb 12, 2009 11:58:01 GMT -6
Probably, everybody is tying everything into 2012, it is the new 2000, ;D
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Post by bketsune on Feb 14, 2009 21:45:04 GMT -6
I know, but the whole 2012 thing is just numerology.
Let me start from the beginning.
6+6+6= 18= 1+8=9
12/21/12= (1+2)+(1+2)+(1+2)= 3+3+3= 9
The reason they were afraid of 2000 is because of a miscalculation back way far back (if i am correct)
666 * 3= 1998 3= number of numbers in 666
Of course the fact that my birthday equals out to 1998 when done in numerology-ish stuff is kinda weird.
so from the begining it shows a connection to 2012 and 2000 (miscalculation) to 666 which is were all the speculation comes from
Okay, 2 cents in
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Post by xenosapience on Feb 15, 2009 18:57:06 GMT -6
i see it as a personal thing. i think we're all batshit insane from birth to death. we just don't know it. we're in denial, we're so used to whatever we're doing that it doesn't strike us as bizarre. that's where cthulhu comes in...
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Post by brideofcthulhu on Feb 16, 2009 20:51:07 GMT -6
a new beginning, and transformation.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Feb 17, 2009 10:40:46 GMT -6
Cloverfield? Probably something simular, but I believe those who believe will transform and become as the Old Ones themselves.. they are willing to teach, we just have to be willing to listen.
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Post by sin on Feb 17, 2009 14:22:46 GMT -6
Cloverfield? Probably something simular, but I believe those who believe will transform and become as the Old Ones themselves.. they are willing to teach, we just have to be willing to listen. If we are talking in terms of consciousness - we are the old ones, asleep - waiting to be awakened by Cthulhu. Who or what is Cthulhu? I believe it to be some cataclysmic event, as he/it is the priest with all of the knowledge to awaken the old ones, I'm thinking that it's that pinnacle event in human history that will shake things up and we will never be the same because of it. What is that event going to be? I believe it will have to be an end of an era - an Apocalypse of sorts. The way we are living now, would have to change. I'm guessing it will be our economic decline due to Stimulus Package that just passed. All the analysts have demonstrated that by the year 2011 we will be in deeper shit than they projected we would be - in February 2008. Maybe the market will crash, maybe our money will no longer have value and we'll need to change this 'system' we are clinging on to. I detest this matrix existence, I would prosper in a more primal environment. When I read the stories about the old lost cult dedicated to Cthulhu - I imagine swamp people, jungle people, people that don't rely on technology to 'advance' as a species - but getting back in touch with human instinct. If we stepped away from the distractions of technology - we would realize our full human potential. We would transcend the idea of the Old Ones, and become - what we were meant to become. Ia Ia, I hunger!
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Feb 17, 2009 16:42:25 GMT -6
Cloverfield? Probably something simular, but I believe those who believe will transform and become as the Old Ones themselves.. they are willing to teach, we just have to be willing to listen. If we are talking in terms of consciousness - we are the old ones, asleep - waiting to be awakened by Cthulhu. Who or what is Cthulhu? I believe it to be some cataclysmic event, as he/it is the priest with all of the knowledge to awaken the old ones, I'm thinking that it's that pinnacle event in human history that will shake things up and we will never be the same because of it. What is that event going to be? I believe it will have to be an end of an era - an Apocalypse of sorts. The way we are living now, would have to change. I'm guessing it will be our economic decline due to Stimulus Package that just passed. All the analysts have demonstrated that by the year 2011 we will be in deeper shit than they projected we would be - in February 2008. Maybe the market will crash, maybe our money will no longer have value and we'll need to change this 'system' we are clinging on to. I detest this matrix existence, I would prosper in a more primal environment. When I read the stories about the old lost cult dedicated to Cthulhu - I imagine swamp people, jungle people, people that don't rely on technology to 'advance' as a species - but getting back in touch with human instinct. If we stepped away from the distractions of technology - we would realize our full human potential. We would transcend the idea of the Old Ones, and become - what we were meant to become. Ia Ia, I hunger! I heard that one native american tribe, I cant remember which, had a prophecy that only those who can live off the land will servive their endtime.. that things would return to the hunter/gatherer days. But yes, to me Cthulhu is both spirit-like, but also a symbol of us.. sleeping, waiting to awaken. And those who will NOT or cannot awaken, when Cthulhu awakens, will be devoured and/or destroyed.
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Post by librabys on Feb 17, 2009 19:02:11 GMT -6
Cora'Sahn, It a very believable theory that you have here; I would in fact have a big tendency to agree.
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What do we really know? What is possible and impossible? From my limited perspective I think you are right to think that way. It is an healty spiritual conception that you have here at my humble advice, just that i think it have something such an extra-terrestrial/extra-dimensional race of powerful entities really. We have a lot of records on that, even disregarding the misinterpretations of Zacharia Sitchin... Mayans knew them, Dogons Knew them, as Sumerians. A lot of other tribes and civilisations too... Native shamans say they were alyaws in touch with them, and that they do come from another galaxy and contributed to our creation and the raise of our civilisation, as the antediluvian ones (and that they are behing the flood too).
I think it would not be accurate to see that only in the materialistic way and think they come in a spaceship, and that it is not satisfying to see that in an only spiritual perspective too.
I believe these beings are, and that they are beyond illusory dualities such as matter/energy, bad/good, and beyond linear time itself.
When Cthulhu raise, who knows what happens. Nothing is true, everything is possible.
Once I say such giant being walking on the earth, summoned by some weird rabbi (I know it isa odd) I would say it was a god of the wind and storms... It was not physical but i was seeing it with kind of aura view, it was material enought to shape the clouds as it passed trough them tough. It was tall enought to walk on earth and to be in the clouds from the elbows... probably with the times to come these entities can become entirely material as the veil between dimensions become thinner.
2012 is not numerology, it is the mayan date for the end of time.
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Feb 17, 2009 19:35:14 GMT -6
One thing EVERYONE can agree on, shit will hit the fan!
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Post by librabys on Feb 17, 2009 19:47:10 GMT -6
HAHAHAHAHA for sure! the ones that not agree are just blind I think
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Post by sin on Feb 18, 2009 14:06:07 GMT -6
2012 doesn't indicate the end of time, but the end of an era. So I'd have to disagree with you there. You are free to believe as you choose, and so am I. I think it will take a cataclysmic event for real change to occur. I believe that Cthulhu symbolizes that event ( no matter what that may be).
I've read Stitchin's books - I have a complete set. So I'm familiar. You say there are records, but these records are bases solely on speculation and personal interpretations of events in history.
Giants? I'm doubtful about that. I believe, based on the archaeological evidence - that the smaller primate species ( often equated to hobbits) were looking to us as giants. It's quite possible that earlier homosapiens co-existed with further evolved versions.
There are amazing architectures credited to giants, but that demeans if not cheapens the accomplishments of modern man.
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Post by librabys on Feb 18, 2009 14:57:40 GMT -6
for 2012 i searched and posted the true mayan prophecy, that speak about a change of era of course.... so much bullshit about that.
I still believe to alien gods though, for the sumerians records are nor the first proof, but shamanic oral taditions.
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Post by Madguten on Feb 19, 2009 7:24:58 GMT -6
Yeah, i agree. I personally refuse to act on anything i do not sense, and so far, i have not sensed anything that tells me that i need to fear 2012 in particular. And as for Cthulhu, well, he can be whatever. Ha, funny you say just that. I have also had thought that the humans of old, Homoerectus, homohabillis, Homo floresiensis (even though they are all more or less speculative). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensisHomo floresiensis = 1.06 m (3 ft 6 in) in height, Homo Erectus = 1.79 m (5 ft 10+1⁄2 in), and were much stronger than modern humans If the "hobbit" met the "troll" back in the days...... And of course they DID. I speculate, if these stories are not among the oldest of earth, delivered in strange ways from civilization to civilization through the times. I would say I KNOW it is, but i think it sounds too closed up, lol I know nothing, lol
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Post by sin on Feb 19, 2009 10:18:26 GMT -6
for 2012 i searched and posted the true mayan prophecy, that speak about a change of era of course.... so much bullshit about that. I still believe to alien gods though, for the sumerians records are nor the first proof, but shamanic oral taditions. I will agree that the Sumerian symbolism is most fascinating. Not only can it be interpreted to 'prove' ancient astronauts, but advanced astronomy as well. It's all up to the individual. If we could travel back in time, and saw what they saw, experienced what they experienced - I'm sure we'd seem rather foolish for believing in such theories. There have been countless artifacts credited to one thing, when it's actual use was another. This happens all the time with ancient artwork. This is one of my favorite websites: s8int.com/page6.htmlEnjoy!
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Post by sin on Feb 19, 2009 10:22:10 GMT -6
Yes, it was the Florensiensis I was referring to. Some people refer to them as Hobbits due to their size. In the modern era, we have the primordial dwarfs - so I believe it supports my theory that Florensiensis and Neanderthal if not Homo Sapien co-existed. If they had primal communication, picture drawing and architecture could have flourished for these small little people. We were the giants of their time. (and I agree, I know very little - but I think a whole lot!)
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Post by librabys on Feb 19, 2009 18:32:35 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Feb 20, 2009 10:12:44 GMT -6
Interesting. I can't say in all certainty that I'd dismiss the idea - but it makes for a credible theory for human origins. Even if you closely examine evolution, it really doesn't explain empirically how diffferent 'races' spring up, and why. There's theories yes, but theories none-the-less. Something to consider :-)
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Post by Paraiyan on Feb 21, 2009 4:11:45 GMT -6
It has been a while since I posted, feels good to be back. I like this entire thread, and I have seen many interesting theories on Cthulhu and his awakening. Cthulhu is the Old One of war if I am not mistaken, which is quite possible. When he awakens, then all the Old Ones shall. For Cthulhu may only walk when the stars are back in the correct alignment. In their current state the stars rays are poisonous to the old ones, so they continue to wait. I honour the great Lord Cthulhu, but I must admit I am far more excited for Lord Dagons revival. For when he walks once more we shall be freed from our dream, or nightmare. Or perhaps we shall fall into a sleep as peacful as the aeons, or we may wake to find everything we once perceived to be wrong.
Oh the possibilities, it is the certainty of uncertainty that thrills me the most.
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Post by Logos on Feb 21, 2009 11:31:44 GMT -6
All, If there will be any apocalypse or WWIII after 2012 it will be due to mankind's foolishness, not the Maya Long Count or anything of the sort. 2012 will come and go, and we go into the next Baktun and that will be that. How fortunate and convenient it would be for us to have some new glorious era of happiness and salvation just because of a Baktun rotation! No, mankind will not be nearly so lucky. Mankind will always be full of sleepwalkers, Man 1-3 in Gurdjieff's system, and they will always be at the mercy of outside Forces. But if you are looking out for changes that will ultimately bring us into a new era where Black Magicians may either thrive or be in trouble, look out for these things to happen in the next two decades or so: - Fossil fuels will hit peak production.
- Advanced computers will get close to or on the same level as the human brain.
- The new empire of China will hit a high point and probably get into international trouble.
- India and Pakistan will probably get into a conflict.
- Climate conditions will only get more erratic.
Sounds like fun to me.
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Post by sin on Feb 23, 2009 9:14:20 GMT -6
All, If there will be any apocalypse or WWIII after 2012 it will be due to mankind's foolishness, not the Maya Long Count or anything of the sort. 2012 will come and go, and we go into the next Baktun and that will be that. How fortunate and convenient it would be for us to have some new glorious era of happiness and salvation just because of a Baktun rotation! No, mankind will not be nearly so lucky. Mankind will always be full of sleepwalkers, Man 1-3 in Gurdjieff's system, and they will always be at the mercy of outside Forces. But if you are looking out for changes that will ultimately bring us into a new era where Black Magicians may either thrive or be in trouble, look out for these things to happen in the next two decades or so: - Fossil fuels will hit peak production.
- Advanced computers will get close to or on the same level as the human brain.
- The new empire of China will hit a high point and probably get into international trouble.
- India and Pakistan will probably get into a conflict.
- Climate conditions will only get more erratic.
Sounds like fun to me. My son is genuinely concerned. He's caught some programming, and some minor mentions in school that lead him to believe that 2012 is the end of the world. We talk about it all the time, and I gave him many examples in history when people think a 'change' is the end. We 30+ folks remember singing the Prince song 1999, and imagined what the world would be like in the year 2000. Then the Y2K hype - and the calendar continues. When a 'calendar' does not continue - it concerns people. I was addicted to that show 'Kingdom Hospital' and in their intro - they said something like 'Time is nature's way from preventing things from happening all at once'. Think about that.
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 23, 2009 11:02:32 GMT -6
oh my god! doesn't that just seem like the silliest thing now? but yeah, so many people were deeply concerned about computers not being able to handle the apocalyptic magnitude of "00". wow!!!
i heard a couple good things about that. although, it was from a friend whom i have since lost all faith in his ability to recommend movies to me. i'm shaking my tentacle at you New Nonsense! so, is Kingdom Hospital or The Kingdom... whatever it's called, good? do you think i'd like it?
VS
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Post by sin on Feb 24, 2009 8:41:03 GMT -6
oh my god! doesn't that just seem like the silliest thing now? but yeah, so many people were deeply concerned about computers not being able to handle the apocalyptic magnitude of "00". wow!!!i heard a couple good things about that. although, it was from a friend whom i have since lost all faith in his ability to recommend movies to me. i'm shaking my tentacle at you New Nonsense! so, is Kingdom Hospital or The Kingdom... whatever it's called, good? do you think i'd like it?
VSIt has deep religious symbolism. Basically, the old defunct hospital is the 'Old Kingdom' and a place where the dead are trapped in limbo - waiting to be laid to rest. The new hospital built on top is the 'New Kingdom' and suffers shifts in time, and space - because the dead are not at rest. It's Stephen King, so you know his style. It teaches a lesson. There is a keeper of the dead - Anubis in the form of an ant-eater named 'antibus' because of a child's misunderstanding. The child, is also the time keeper and keeper of the dead. Together, they manage souls. It most def has a trip-factor. If you want to tie it into the mythos - you could say that the 'dead' trapped in limbo are the old ones and on the verge of awakening. You could say that 'Antubus' is Cthulhu. The patients in the New Kingdom are the cultists. The cataclysmic event which brings everything to a head - is an imbalance in the levels of consciousness. I think you'd like it. Get the box set. That's how I watched it.
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Post by Logos on Feb 26, 2009 2:26:44 GMT -6
My son is genuinely concerned. He's caught some programming, and some minor mentions in school that lead him to believe that 2012 is the end of the world…When a 'calendar' does not continue - it concerns people. Have you told him that the “calendar”, aka Long Count, does not end on 2012? It concerns people because they think the Long Count does not continue, which is false. It does not stop or end on 2012, and the closest it will get to truly hitting its end will be 20.0.0.0.0. and that is quite a ways off. Regardless, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said “programming”. This sort of thing is really a bit of viral communication on a meta-communication level, so to speak. This stuff will really only end once we hit 2013 and people move onto the next big fad of cataclysm.
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Post by rhygazengarou on Feb 26, 2009 4:43:32 GMT -6
I heard Cthulhu speaking to me in my dreams! It's scary but exciting!
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Post by jmsn72 on Feb 26, 2009 10:08:14 GMT -6
If Cthulhu awakens I hope to get 12 green long retractable tentacles bladed at the edges protruding from my back.Let the slaughter begin !
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