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Nov 8, 2007 21:12:42 GMT -6
Post by deathcult91 on Nov 8, 2007 21:12:42 GMT -6
Not actually a dream, but I have a theory relating to the Old Ones' return to earth. Now, it is said that when the stars align that they will return and rule the earth once more. I have thought it out and all stars (to my knowledge) form into some type of constellation. Also, there is an ancient one for every element, (earth,air,fire,water,spirit). Comparing this with the wiccan elemental pentacle. I have reversed the pentacle to represent evil and placed the earth in the middle. When the stars do line up, I theorize that they might form with stars this elemental pentacle or "Table of the Ancients" as I like to call it, around the earth. But this is just a theory of mine.
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Nov 9, 2007 5:20:18 GMT -6
Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 9, 2007 5:20:18 GMT -6
Interesting. But a pentacle is a 2 dimesional sigil, and the universe 3 dimensional. What i trying to say is thatit would still be difficult to tell when the stars are right, so to speak. Unlees youmean in conventional star mapping grids, I don't know.
shail
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Nov 9, 2007 17:31:05 GMT -6
Post by youma on Nov 9, 2007 17:31:05 GMT -6
Or maybe the stars will be right in four years and a half, according to the Aztec prophecy everyone talks about... If I was asked to give a logical explaination to why the GOO can only live when the stars are right, my guess would be that they need a certain type of radiation which certain astral bodies give and others don't, and when Earth isn't in line with them, there's no radiation. Hey, wait a minute... the Call of Cthulhu story as well as other ones mention that the evolution of man was influed by the GOO, and with current technology, mankind can build devices to emit all kinds of electromagnetic radiation. Who knows, maybe in the future the stars won't have to be right... Water filters electromagnetism pretty badly though, so the emittor would have to be right over Cthulhu's ageless crypt. Aaaaahh, nerdy speculation, I love the smell of you!
I wonder what a 3-d pentacle would look like, though, but I don't think that figure is possible. That would be defined as a figured formed by linking five points placed at equal distance from one another, and not all on the same plane, on the surface of a given sphere. I don't think they can be quite equidistant. Hmm, no, they can only be if a regular polyhedron has the same number of angles, and there's none with five. So a 3-d pentacle would be imperfect, though irregular doesn't necessarily mean wrong. The figure could also have 10 or 15 angles, and look like a normal pentagram when viewed from a given angle. Hmm.... I'll stop before I have a nerdgasm.
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Nov 9, 2007 20:59:19 GMT -6
Post by deathcult91 on Nov 9, 2007 20:59:19 GMT -6
In regards to shail.
Yes I suppose I didn't think of that.
Hmmm, well I suppose there is no true way to tell when the stars are going to come right. The first place you'd think to look would be the Necronomicon, but that book is vague in some ways. Although, I suppose it has to be to preserve the mysticism
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Nov 10, 2007 16:00:58 GMT -6
Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 10, 2007 16:00:58 GMT -6
I have no doubts that when the stars are going to align, and when the old ones are going to rise. All of the Cult will be well aware of its coming. -Other wise there wouldn't be a dreams thread.
shail
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Nov 10, 2007 16:16:35 GMT -6
Post by eratciv on Nov 10, 2007 16:16:35 GMT -6
Yes, I agree with that last part. Almost everyone here has had at least one experience with Dreaming that would be considered a contact with the Old Ones, So it is likely that they will tell us when the time is right.
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Nov 10, 2007 22:17:01 GMT -6
Post by dzepxich on Nov 10, 2007 22:17:01 GMT -6
Yes, I agree with that last part. Almost everyone here has had at least one experience with Dreaming that would be considered a contact with the Old Ones, So it is likely that they will tell us when the time is right. I agree totally.
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Nov 20, 2007 14:29:02 GMT -6
Post by devoutbeliever666 on Nov 20, 2007 14:29:02 GMT -6
In referance to this topic, i hear stars, which makes me think of astrologal bodies, and THAT makes me think of the planets (and their various sattelites) in the Solar System, which makes me get to...
The alignment of the astrological bodies in our relative locality in the Universe will bring about the rise of the Great Old Ones.
hmm... But where would that put the Elder Things...?
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Nov 20, 2007 18:28:07 GMT -6
Post by youma on Nov 20, 2007 18:28:07 GMT -6
If by elder things you mean the crinoid/vegetable/wtf carnivorous beings on the South Pole, they were much closer to humans than to Great Old Ones. "To hell! They had been men!" to quote Lovecraft.
If you mean the elder gods, I don't know... they're the "lesser, milder gods of Earth," if they're Earth gods, they might not be as dependant on the stars.
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Nov 21, 2007 13:01:59 GMT -6
Post by I AM the Way on Nov 21, 2007 13:01:59 GMT -6
indeed. the lesser gods are in control as we speak. they must always be fought because the lesser gods feed upon us while we sleep.
VS
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Nov 29, 2007 0:21:52 GMT -6
Post by devoutbeliever666 on Nov 29, 2007 0:21:52 GMT -6
Lesser Gods? OOOOK. I have no idea what you are talking about. I feel i should state that I'm atracted to Lovecraft without having read any of his work (as of now at least). It goes without saying that I have MUCH reading/research to do.
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Nov 29, 2007 4:29:55 GMT -6
Post by Madguten on Nov 29, 2007 4:29:55 GMT -6
Here is the audio book version of "The Call of Cthulhu". It is HPL most knows story. Many of his other stories are much more exporing, in the way they are written. Like transcripts of madness. The call of Cthulhu is a traditional horror story. Audio version of Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft.(remember to download both parts!) greylodge.org/gpc/?p=106Enjoy!
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Dec 1, 2007 20:42:06 GMT -6
Post by Crow of Coal on Dec 1, 2007 20:42:06 GMT -6
Specifically, for knowledge about the Lesser Gods (AKA Great Ones), you should read the Dream Cycle, particularly the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath.
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Dec 2, 2007 11:59:35 GMT -6
Post by I AM the Way on Dec 2, 2007 11:59:35 GMT -6
no, they are not the same at all. the lesser gods are directly opposed to the Great Old Ones. later writers who added to the Mythos created the distinction between the Elder Gods (not to be confused with the Elder Things) and the Old Ones. the Elder Gods were supposed to be "good" and the Old Ones "evil".
the CoC works directly with those dark Gods that are essentially beyond good and evil... Gods who have fruitful designs on humanity and our evolution. all other entities that are part of the current program mean us harm and are to be shunned.
VS
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Dec 2, 2007 15:25:42 GMT -6
Post by Crow of Coal on Dec 2, 2007 15:25:42 GMT -6
Are we not speaking of the gods of the Dreamlands?
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Dec 2, 2007 15:51:45 GMT -6
Post by iconoclasm on Dec 2, 2007 15:51:45 GMT -6
I worked my ass off doin this but an inverted pentagram array in three dimensions would be a little like this...or did i do a 4d array?Dont wet yourself lol ;D for some reason the thought of the outer gods evokes an image of mental patients in prison wards driven by mindless and reasonless acts of repitition.Like the madman who paces about repeatedly or the guys who coats his room with fecial matter.I suppose we are connected to the outer gods at birth.Being utterly mad or hopeless.I suppose using a newborn or a mental catastrophe in a rite to contact the mad Outer Gods makes sense.But I digressed.That the stars must be right implies these bastards consume a whooooooole lots of energy. As for the southpole thing.Rumors have it in the conspiracy community there are reptoid and hybrid bases in the north pole.
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Dec 2, 2007 21:37:07 GMT -6
Post by devoutbeliever666 on Dec 2, 2007 21:37:07 GMT -6
Ive come a long way in the past few years to be able to understend every word af that.
Back on topic...
A way to envision a 3-d pentagram is to place the Pentagram in mid-air, then have the pentagram rotate in 3 ways, 1 for each dimension (drawings to come soon ).
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Dec 2, 2007 23:19:02 GMT -6
Post by youma on Dec 2, 2007 23:19:02 GMT -6
Actually, your drawing does look like my attempts of 4d figures (first writing matrixes representing the coordinates of the angles, then drawing them as dots and trying to connect them right), I'll have to look at it thoroughly to see if I can make sense out of it. How did you do it? Trial and error, or a more methodical approach?
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Dec 3, 2007 9:41:30 GMT -6
Post by iconoclasm on Dec 3, 2007 9:41:30 GMT -6
Methodical-I took five pentagrams and arrayed them in such a way that they formed a large pentagram and connected everything.Either way you turn it ,the tiny pentagrams connect to form pentagrams.Much like a hypercube or a tesseract. As for the three d pentagram,im still doing research on it.I understand wht your trying to say but I can't wrap my mind around it.4 triangles equals a triangular prism or tetrahedron( ).A cube is 6 squares.A 3d pentagon would be much more side of course but a pentagram is a very complex shape.In fact maybe its a 2d representation of three dimensional objects arranged in a certain way.Then again a merkaba is 2 tetrahedrons intercepting.How many stars have to intercept in a pentagram for a 3 d shape ?Or is the symbol so great that in doing so we cross into 4 dimensional objects? Forgive me for being slow here but i am now fascinated by the pentagram ;D
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Dec 3, 2007 11:07:46 GMT -6
Post by I AM the Way on Dec 3, 2007 11:07:46 GMT -6
it's really difficult to know just what the hell anyone's talking about which is why i propose the distinction between Old Ones (incorporating all the deities which HPL wrote about) and lesser gods who are the forces or beings that work against humanity and the Old Ones.
VS
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Dec 3, 2007 17:09:03 GMT -6
Post by Crow of Coal on Dec 3, 2007 17:09:03 GMT -6
I assumed you were speaking of the Great Ones, gods of the Dreamlands, whose soul and messenger is Nyarlathotep.
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Dec 3, 2007 17:18:52 GMT -6
Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Dec 3, 2007 17:18:52 GMT -6
This a 3d pentagram. I assume this is what you are refering to and not; I assume the first image is the pentagram your reffering to. So in this theory earths at the centre, with the stars aligning around it, at each point. Sounds fair enough. But how do we know that earths at the centre, why couldn't earth be at one of the points, and something else in the centre, or nothing in the centre, and too be in line is just when the stars line up to form a 3d pentagram dot to dot? shail
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Dec 3, 2007 18:40:28 GMT -6
Post by devoutbeliever666 on Dec 3, 2007 18:40:28 GMT -6
That throws my theory out the window. Where did you get the pic?
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Dec 3, 2007 19:35:18 GMT -6
Post by youma on Dec 3, 2007 19:35:18 GMT -6
*Applaudes till hands hurt*
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Dec 3, 2007 22:09:36 GMT -6
Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Dec 3, 2007 22:09:36 GMT -6
Google image search "3d Pentagram."
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Dec 4, 2007 17:50:28 GMT -6
Post by iconoclasm on Dec 4, 2007 17:50:28 GMT -6
<---- Nerdgasm Awesome pic.Now I can stop drawing pentagrams all over the place ;D . As for whether the earth is center or not...I dont know.Could be the sun or the moon, or Sirius for all we know.I suppose we'll know when the stars are right ;D Is it plausible the the stars in question would have to be aligned in such a way that they form the seal of the entity in which is to appear in some fashion.Perhaps from how wed see it from the earth maybe?i dunno The Old Ones were supposed to be benevolent beings whom the Ancient Ones fell out of favor with due to the use of magick or technology or something.As such they trapped our patron deity under the sea And upon awakened the Ancient Ones are gonna let all hell loose.The Outer Gods are simply embodiments of madness beyond our understanding.I sure hope I did get some of it right.
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Dec 4, 2007 21:01:57 GMT -6
Post by youma on Dec 4, 2007 21:01:57 GMT -6
I've always thought of the stars being right at a given time over the 12 000 years cycle of precession (the same one that determined that we are entering the age of aquarius) and that the Aztecs have used to determine that the world should end in June 2012.
In "At the Mountains of Madness" it is said that Cthulhu could not awaken when the stars were right because his land had sunken below the sea, and needed help to get out, shaping evolution so that humans would be fit to that task.
Lets say that Cthulhu, and possibly other beings, need radiance, either electromagnetic or spiritual (knowing Lovecraft, he would have said electromagnetic) from a certain combination of sources, some stellar configurations will succesfully provide it, and others won't.
The above mentionned Aztec prophecy has established the date as the moment the galaxtic plane will line up with a certain construction which they built. It can only line up with it one day every 12 000 years. (In the eventually of the world not coming to an end, lets hope that night won't be cloudy, what a waste!) Imagine that this alignment is necessary to provide the right energy and... hmm... that region is actually full of holes, great watery grottoes running well under the continent and into the sea, what if the location wasn't chosen by mere human whim?
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Dec 5, 2007 9:56:19 GMT -6
Post by iconoclasm on Dec 5, 2007 9:56:19 GMT -6
However,the worlds' end is not to be taken in a literal sense but figuratively.The world's end may very well be the end of the Age of Pisces and mark an in between or transition point before the next Age,Aquarius. Transition point we can assume,will be rough,difficult and turbulent.Some people interpret the Aztec prophecies in marking a collective change in human consciousness.
What I find particularly interesting is both Pisces and Aquarius deal with the element of water which is linked to spirituality.I wonder if Cthulhu will still sleep if the water element is dominant unless his symbol is water to some degree.
I must find a secret to return on the Age of Gemini lol ;D .Being one myself,Id love to see what that will look like (talk about two sides )
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Dec 6, 2007 12:31:26 GMT -6
Post by amnesiac on Dec 6, 2007 12:31:26 GMT -6
This is down right interesting stuff, keep it coming...I am all ears
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Dec 6, 2007 17:10:27 GMT -6
Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Dec 6, 2007 17:10:27 GMT -6
I think we should come up with our own Zodiac. One evolving the Great Old Ones, each one given a particular Aeon, sequence, system of reading it. Based on what we already know about them. >Just an idea.
shail
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