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Post by beastx on Nov 1, 2010 11:01:27 GMT -6
It has long been my aspiration to create a lasting Grotto within the Cult of Cthulhu. One that would emphasize a specific practice of Our three great paths. High Priest Satanis and I have talked at lengths about my doing so. Master Diabolus’ observation “The two emerging camps; the spiritualist and the theorists... the "orthodox" and the "heretical", are still brothers, still unified in purpose, and still pursuing the Work and the greater glory of the Cult of Cthulhu.” should forever hold true. Wisdom is seeking a balanced understanding of this divide as it is a testament of our strength. In the same benefit we can come to by observing ourselves, we can gain the same by observing the Order. The Cult of Cthulhu has since it’s inception been nurturing to both theists and atheists alike.
The Fourth Way teaches us to be mindful of our Influences and fall under them Consciously. In my mind recognition of these “two emerging camps” suggests that each is a distinct Influence. In being an Influence, we recognize and consciously decide which to fall under. It is an Idea of mine that this should be commemorated by a demonstration of the strength and maturity. An action which upholds The Dark Pursuits Bathed in Fire! An opportunity to raise the standard, setting an example for the Left Hand Path. Division can be made without separation. Born on the evening of Samhain, this Grotto will uphold a balance by observing the Yang of this Trigamy.
The Heretics of Cthulhu has manifested as a Grotto for individuals who have proven themselves as productive, progressive, and pro-actively Aware within the Satanic/LHP movement. Membership is by invitation only, although requests for membership will be considered. Each Heretic is considered a peer, equal, and brother/sister of his or her fellow Heretic, thus the Heretics of Cthulhu will not use titles and rank, and within our forums and exchanges no deference will be made to your station outside of the Heretics of Cthulhu. No one person can claim to be this institution, but rather all members have an equal stake in the Heretics of Cthulhu and its individual member's promotion and success.
The Heretics of Cthulhu is a collaborative Networking/Think-Tank for the mutual support of our membership's individual efforts and the progression of the Satanic/LHP movement as a whole. We prize Individualism, Epicureanism, and Antinomianism in our members, and seek out those who "think differently" and are making an impact on our community and the greater society as a whole. The Heretics of Cthulhu remains dedicated to the cause of the Cult of Cthulhu and its founder, Venger As'Nas Satanis, through the exploration of Satanism and the Left Hand Path, the pursuit and development of greater Awareness through the Work, and the development of personal symbolism through the Cthulhu Mythos.
This thread is being established for those individuals within the Cult of Cthulhu who wish to make inquiries or voice their interest in the Heretics of Cthulhu. The Heretics of Cthulhu will respond either in this forum or via PM, depending on the nature of the inquiry. Pursuant to the founding principle of equality amongst our members, titles and posting requirements required in the rest of the Cult of Cthulhu forum are suspended here, although care with spelling and grammar is greatly appreciated.
Questions?
When the Stars are Right!
Beast Xeno (Post Formulated with Master Diabolus) First Priest of R’lyeh and Heretic Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 1, 2010 19:21:32 GMT -6
Interesting...
In the light of Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus' "Halloween hiatus", I suggest we table the discussion of this Cthulhu Cult Grotto until December as I have a few questions of my own and possibly a reservation or two.
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by egodiabolus on Nov 1, 2010 21:35:45 GMT -6
Interesting...
In the light of Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus' "Halloween hiatus", I suggest we table the discussion of this Cthulhu Cult Grotto until December as I have a few questions of my own and possibly a reservation or two.
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
My hiatus is no reason to delay the evolution of the Cult of Cthulhu or the inception of the Heretics of Cthulhu Grotto. This thread will definitely have my attention and support. As stated, it seems very cut-and-dry, an opportunity for peers to recognize their own, advance the successes of those individuals, and have a free discourse about issues relevant to Satanism and the Left Hand Path, the Work, and the use of the Cthulhu Mythos. I am excited about the direct emails I have received about this Grotto, but ask that those who are interested to post your questions here so that they may be shared with your peers. Awake! Jason Sorrell
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Post by lucofthelight on Nov 2, 2010 4:16:36 GMT -6
I'd like to voice my interest in The Heretics of Cthulhu grotto. I just have a few queries:
What criteria would a Cultist have to meet to become or be invited to become a member?
What obligations would be required of a member to remain a member?
Are artistic collaborations between members an important component?
After reading Master Satanis' latest post I'm unsure whether this Grotto is still on the cards. I guess I'll sit tight and see what happens.
From what I understand of the original description of the Heretics of Cthulhu grotto, this will be a subset group within the Cult of Cthulhu focused on specific, pro-active involvement on projects and discussions on various levels, fixated on subjects relating to the LHP, the Work and Satanism.
Sounds pretty cool.
If it goes ahead, I'd be interested.
Hail Satanis!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2010 5:05:28 GMT -6
Ho, no... I don't like this at all. What prevent the Priests of R'lyeh from just opening a new "heretical section" in this forum ? As stated, it seems very cut-and-dry, an opportunity for peers to recognize their own, advance the successes of those individuals, and have a free discourse about issues relevant to Satanism and the Left Hand Path, the Work, and the use of the Cthulhu Mythos. ? What are the differences with the Cult of Cthulhu goals ? Maybe you wish to be only within "individuals who have proven themselves as productive, progressive, and pro-actively Aware within the Satanic/LHP movement." ? You can already exchange all what you want with them, are other peoples in this forum disturbing you so much ? We should carefully avoid all what looks like a division. Belief is reality !
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 2, 2010 7:54:18 GMT -6
I like it.
Sounds like the Heretics want a group that can focus on certain aspects of the Occult or even certain Cthulhu knowledge. What they come up with could be interesting.
As long as the knowledge is kept public. I don't see it hurting.
Awake!
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Post by ieuan on Nov 2, 2010 8:01:17 GMT -6
Please, let us dispense with any charade or parlor game. Why don't we put all of our cards on the table so we can see what is what and who is who? I want to know what all this is really about?
As this thread, and indeed the actions leading up to it, have all the hallmarks of a bloodless revolution or coup d'état, I have no choice except to abolish this Grotto, as well as, any further attempt to depose me, the Cult of Cthulhu, and our multi-dimensional, inclusive paradigm. I will not stand idly by and watch anyone derail, obstruct, or steal what I have worked so hard to build.
If you, Jason, desire to operate outside of our religion, then so be it. I wish you well. But if you choose to remain a member and officer of the Cthulhu Cult, then you must work with me; not against me. I welcome your influence; however, I will not tolerate your contemptuous dissent. I'm sure there are some who prefer your way of doing things. To those Cultists I say, "so long, you will be missed."
On the other hand, if I've misjudged you and your Heretics of Cthulhu Grotto, then please speak up.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
I am at the bottom of the ziggarat, and only been here a short time but one of the reasons I decided to apply to be a cultist was The Exclusion of none, for may all come with an open mind, and the desire for transformation and change. When I first read this thread the first word that popped into my mind was exclusion, to which I could very well be mistaken, as always given my respect for the Cthulhu Priesthood, to which their Experience, Knowledge, and Guidance, I highly value. I think the direction and guidance of our High Priest Master Satanis is exactly The Capstone that the Left Hand Path needs and deserves for the 21st Century. My Question as a Cthulhu Cultist is how can we evolve as a whole if part of us are-not privy to participate in all the endeavors of the Cult. Does not differencing views create the catalyst for change, progress, and evolution? How can people who share like minds and in agreement create an environment necessary to create the catalyze to facilitate change, process, and evolution? Would this not breed stagnation? Another question is why not have this Grotto opened to all, and after all you guys are the monitors and can enforce the standards of the grotto and the threads, so that all can learn, share, and have encouragement to move forward and build on their own experience. Are we not all students, to which some have more experiences than others in different areas. How are we to grow if those experiences of the top are only shared with a select few? Did not our High Priest just recently say no cultist should have to fear the posting of their voice and opinions? I am all for and would support any grotto that is opened for all cultist, give us all the opportunity to awake together! Hail Cult of Cthulhu Priesthood! Hail Cult of Cthulhu! The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die! Hail Master Satanis The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die. Talek Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 2, 2010 13:24:33 GMT -6
You don't want to admit that you were planning a subtle and gradually takeover of the Cthulhu Cult? That's fine. Call me paranoid, crazy, an ego-maniac and whatever else. Your betrayal does not come as a surprise. How clever you were to undermine me here, to gather support there, to create an unofficial grotto that seems more like an egalitarian Church of Satan than anything having to do with the Cult of Cthulhu, telling others how you intend to misdirect my vision, your woman setting herself up as head of the Wizards' Council... to defy and bash me in the name of individualism. Hahaha, so ingenious I almost never saw it. And it seems you had a few loyal Cultists fooled as well. Impressive. Or it would be if such an underhanded move hadn't irreparably sealed the fate of your immortal soul.
At this point, I don't know the fate of Beast Xeno, but from what I've gathered from his text messages, he has decided to go down with your failed coup. BX is the one who has thoroughly studied Sun Tzu, not I. And he has all but confirmed the ugliness of your betrayal. You have been ex-communicated, Jason Sorrell. The fate of T.C. Downey (BX) will be decided in just under 12 hours... midnight tonight.
Of course, every conceivable angle of ideology will remain within the Cult of Cthulhu. There are still heretics, as well as, heretical viewpoints within our ranks, but I am the highest authority. I am the Great Old Ones' instrument on earth. I Am The Way. Go ahead and start your own group, although I have no idea why you'd want anything more to do with Lovecraft. Why don't you start the New Modern Collective of Applied Satanism or something like that? Sounds right up your alley.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
I will follow the Master Satanis for all eternity myself! Awake!
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 2, 2010 15:24:17 GMT -6
We'll be loosing a great mind.
Ill remember reading his post for hours looking at the small & big picture of what he was saying. Fantastic, mind blowing stuff! I did not see the Heretics as a threat to our unity. They were more like Cultists willing to dive into the deepest aspects of the occult & find its mysteries. People with the knowledge to face things unknown to me.
We need Priest Diabolus. Hopefully he'll reconsider,and rejoin us. We can use the Heretics. We need their knowledge.
Awake!
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Nov 2, 2010 17:46:07 GMT -6
"That means the entire Cult of Cthulhu must be allowed to crystallize, shatter, and crystallize again!"
Change is a constant force and the antithesis of stagnation.
While I am saddened at these turn of events, perhaps a greater good can come out of them down the line.
I stand with The Cult of Cthulhu, Master Satanis.
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
Kai'Sigth Dreaming Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 2, 2010 18:02:53 GMT -6
I,too, am loyal forever to the CoC!!! Master Satanis is just that....Master. And it shall be, hopefully, forever! I also am loyal.
Awake!
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Post by ragnafa on Nov 2, 2010 20:53:00 GMT -6
This is how I feel on the whole thing. Bottom line I respect Ego, and Xeno as individuals, They are indeed very knowledgeable about many things. But with that said I believe that they being a part of the CoC need to work with Master Satanis not against him. We all need to realize that if it wasn't for our Great Master Satanis bringing forth our glorious Emerald Kingdom we would all be somewhere looking to some meaningless boring forum about the occult, Fuck that shit, Master Satanis is a brilliant man and he deserves his throne with the Old Ones. I felt that bringing forth this Grottoe would have been very bad for the CoC. I'm Glad Master Satanis stopped it there with the two Priest. Because it would have swept up more people against Master Satanis. He deserves the Greatest Respect, and if I have to go through him as a means of attaining communion with the Old ones so be it. I'am a firm believer in the Mythos as a theist. For I will always be an Extreme defender of the CoC this is my Family and Master Satanis is my Leader. Ego I respect you greatly but maybe this isn't your path I don't know I have different beliefs than you altogether. But I will always be true to Master Satanis and the CoC. Same thing with you Xeno.
Awake... Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 2, 2010 23:23:20 GMT -6
I appreciate your generous reply, Apsara Kamalli. It is a sad development; i cannot deny that.
Jason Sorrell might have valued my efforts and thought highly of me as a leader, but how many times did he call, text, or email me in the last three months? I don't know, maybe once or twice... How many times did he throw his hands up during a forum discussion saying, "at least we can disagree with the boss" instead of actually trying to understand my side of an issue, my informed position?
Every religion is also an organization. Organizations have politics. Political and religious leaders need a cabinet or network of supporters. That's where our Priesthood comes in. The Priesthood is for getting things done. They do that by working with me, staying in contact, seeking my advice, carrying out my orders, delegating authority, and just generally making my life easier. Unfortunately, Mr. Sorrell did very few of those things in the last three months, by my estimation (save for the Green Trapezoid which I always commended him on).
I have no proof that you were party to any of this, Apsara. So, perhaps it was unfair of me to characterize you in such a way. But last night's email to Vanessa and I actually kicked off the whole debacle, so I saw you as just another piece of the puzzle. I was not annoyed by your questions. In fact, I was happy to voice my thoughts. I will provide a transcript here for all to read...
"It is my understanding that the CoC is about creating a religion within the LHP community that is focused on individualism and awakening."
Yes, that is correct. And religions have leaders. Leaders cannot effectively lead without faithfulness.
"I would assume, as it is for myself, that my undying personal loyalty should be, first and foremost, to myself."
I never said you couldn't have undying personal loyalty to yourself, nor did I say that I had to be first. If I asked you to kill yourself, I'd hardly expect you to do it. This isn't Nazi Germany or Feudal Japan.
"This requirement serves no purpose to awakening and does not substantiate the existence of the CoC beyond our lifetime."
The survival of our religion serves a purpose in Awakening, wouldn't you agree? I am the Cult of Cthulhu. Are you not loyal to the Cult? Therefore, your allegiance to me must be overtly stated by necessity. Especially, when the pungent odor of conspiracy, betrayal, and opportunism can be detected just outside one's lair.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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I still intend for every Wizard of the Terrible Darkness, along with those having a higher degree, to swear their undying personal loyalty to me. So if that's a deal breaker for you, then you cannot remain a Wizard. There will be a place for you as a Herald, if you like, but I need to trust those who help me lead the Cult of Cthulhu. As you can see, trust is a hard thing to come by these days.
We must be the darkness we wish to see in the world,
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Post by ragnafa on Nov 2, 2010 23:29:24 GMT -6
You have my loyalty Master Satanis, I will help you lead the CoC
Awake... Belief is Reality... Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 2:42:05 GMT -6
I must say that immediately after reading the first post of Beast Xeno, I thought : Wow, a coup d'état ? !
A friendly approach would be to warn the High Priest and of course to seek his approval for a such important move. Instead, to prepare everything in secret and Bang ! here it is, here are our rules, is obviously an aggression.
I wonder what the former priests expected as reaction from Lord Satanis...
I agree 100% on the need of a hierarchy, and on the allegiance to the High Priest.
Who wrote Cthulhu Cult ? Who put together LHP and the 4th way ? To all who discovered the 4th way thanks to the Cult, just ask yourself : Who literally saved my soul ?
Hail Satanis ! Hail Cthulhu !
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Post by lucofthelight on Nov 3, 2010 4:00:10 GMT -6
It's interesting how people can see things from different perspectives. Upon reading Beast Xeno's original post I personally didn't take it that way. I thought wow! This is something new, a new grotto dedicated to the serious study and application of the core fundamental aspects of the CoC. It appeared from his post that he had discussed the idea several times over the past few months with Master Satanis and finally it was time to bring the idea out into the open to have people respond with their thoughts.
From reading the latest posts by Xeno and Lord Satanis it appears that the idea wasn't really thoroughly discussed with the High Priest before it was brought out into the forum, leading to the High Priests reservations and desire to shelve the idea for a little while longer until Egodiabolus returns from his hiatus, allowing some more discussions to take place before it was approved, which I can appreciate as a wise decision.
Master Satanis is the leader of this organization. That must be respected. He is the pioneer, the visionary of this wonderful paradigm we call the Cult of Cthulhu. If there was a lack of communication between the hierarchy, I think it could have been resolved with more in depth private discussions before being displayed here on the forum, leading to such extreme consequences for the Priesthood. Obviously, there were a lot of accumulating factors that had built up behind the scenes that led to the decisions that were made.
I for one, am very disappointed that the two Priests of R'hyleh are no longer here. I honestly can't believe it has gone this far. From my perspective it didn't appear that Egodiabolus was trying to take over the CoC as has been suggested. It just seemed that he and Beast Xeno were attempting to form a more in depth group within the CoC dedicated to the core principles of the CoC. The CoC has lost two incredibly knowledgable, insightful and talented individuals and I wish it wasn't so. Their efforts here have been monumental.
I'm guess I'm still hoping this will somehow be resolved.
When the stars are right!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 4:52:43 GMT -6
It's interesting how people can see things from different perspectives. Upon reading Beast Xeno's original post I personally didn't take it that way. I thought wow! This is something new, a new grotto dedicated to the serious study and application of the core fundamental aspects of the CoC.
It could be that the negative part of my intellectual center is working well, but don't you think that "the serious study and application of the core fundamental aspects of the CoC" is possible right now ? The books on the 4th way I purchased recommended by Lord Satanis, the bible Cthulhu Cult, the various subjects of this forum, the possibility to ask any question and to receive answers are more than enough as material ; after that, our progress depend only on our will and on our Work. Remember yourself, for the emerald kingdom is at hand !
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Post by Jason King on Nov 3, 2010 9:55:51 GMT -6
LOL. The classic "worked shoot" - I LOVE IT!
When all else fails, "give 'em a good WAR they'll never forget".
Here's the only problem . . .
believability.
Everyone is supposed to believe that certain high-ranking Cultists turned on MASTER Satanis, and yet they are still here . . . still posting . . . still manifesting within the CoC domain, and with **brand-spankin' new** TITLES on the very same forum??? Titles, I might add, that incidentally began showing on at least one of their profiles a full fortnight ago.
So, let me toss my proverbial hat into the garbage can as well . . . but I'll light mine on fire first.
<rant> FUCK the CoC! And fuck heresy! I'm a fucking APOSTATE as far as this silly ass "religion" led by a jeebus wannabee ("I Am the Way) is concerned. And while I'm at it, fuck Gurdjieff Rasputin, or whoever that stupid clown is you keep playing Bible with. He was a man with no children, 'nuff said. </rant>
So, here I am, daring the power(s) that be to make me a MARTYR.
And if you don't expel me, I'll make you wish you had. I'll go apefuckingshit on every last one of these posers, guaranteed. Including YOU, lol.
"Wherever I go . . . wherever my travels bring me . . . I am the top predator, and this is just another place to settle my paws" - an unknown god
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Post by ragnafa on Nov 3, 2010 11:30:44 GMT -6
I'm apalled by you Jason king, how dare you talk to Master Satanis like that, For I'm a defender of the Coc faith. Who the fuck are you to say things like that, lets see where you are in life Jason. Hmmmm a worthless youtube channel, Master Venger has his Slimy tentacles everywhere, I hope you rot in our Dread lords eternal abyss, I curse you for all eternity Fuck you Jason. Hail Master Satanis, Hail Cthulhu, Hail the CoC Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz Who's fucking next to get Cursed.
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Post by ieuan on Nov 3, 2010 11:36:25 GMT -6
LOL. The classic "worked shoot" - I LOVE IT! When all else fails, "give 'em a good WAR they'll never forget". Here's the only problem . . . believability. Everyone is supposed to believe that certain high-ranking Cultists turned on MASTER Satanis, and yet they are still here . . . still posting . . . still manifesting within the CoC domain, and with **brand-spankin' new** TITLES on the very same forum??? Titles, I might add, that incidentally began showing on at least one of their profiles a full fortnight ago. So, let me toss my proverbial hat into the garbage can as well . . . but I'll light mine on fire first. <rant> FUCK the CoC! And fuck heresy! I'm a fucking APOSTATE as far as this silly ass "religion" led by a jeebus wannabee ("I Am the Way) is concerned. And while I'm at it, fuck Gurdjieff Rasputin, or whoever that stupid clown is you keep playing Bible with. He was a man with no children, 'nuff said. </rant> So, here I am, daring the power(s) that be to make me a MARTYR. And if you don't expel me, I'll make you wish you had. I'll go apefuckingshit on every last one of these posers, guaranteed. Including YOU, lol. "Wherever I go . . . wherever my travels bring me . . . I am the top predator, and this is just another place to settle my paws" - an unknown god -- signed 9of9 (JK) That was in-sightly comical! I cant stop laughing, not at the contexts of what was posted, but you a mechanical clown! Just when I needed it thanks! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn! His ichor cleanses the sin of all mankind! Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Jason King on Nov 3, 2010 11:37:01 GMT -6
I'm apalled by you Jason king, how dare you talk to Master Satanis like that, For I'm a defender of the Coc faith. Who the fuck are you to say things like that, lets see where you are in life Jason. Hmmmm a worthless youtube channel, Master Venger has his Slimy tentacles everywhere, I hope you rot in our Dread lords eternal abyss, I curse you for all eternity Fuck you Jason. Hail Master Satanis, Hail Cthulhu, Hail the CoC Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz Who's fucking next to get Cursed. OH NOES, I DUN BIN KURSED. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, pal. JK (like apples?)
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 3, 2010 11:40:29 GMT -6
I'm apalled by you Jason king, how dare you talk to Master Satanis like that, For I'm a defender of the Coc faith. Who the fuck are you to say things like that, lets see where you are in life Jason. Hmmmm a worthless youtube channel, Master Venger has his Slimy tentacles everywhere, I hope you rot in our Dread lords eternal abyss, I curse you for all eternity Fuck you Jason. Hail Master Satanis, Hail Cthulhu, Hail the CoC Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz Who's fucking next to get Cursed. You voiced my same thoughts! Hail Cthulhu!!!
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Post by Jason King on Nov 3, 2010 11:40:51 GMT -6
That was in-sightly comical! I cant stop laughing, not at the contexts of what was posted, but you a mechanical clown! Just when I needed it thanks! Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn! His ichor cleanses the sin of all mankind! Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu Ah, so let me see . . . the faggot who signs his posts with a bitch-brand has the nerve to call me mechanical? Oh, the irony . . . Who's next??? JK
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 3, 2010 12:03:29 GMT -6
LOL. The classic "worked shoot" - I LOVE IT! When all else fails, "give 'em a good WAR they'll never forget". Here's the only problem . . . believability. Everyone is supposed to believe that certain high-ranking Cultists turned on MASTER Satanis, and yet they are still here . . . still posting . . . still manifesting within the CoC domain, and with **brand-spankin' new** TITLES on the very same forum??? Titles, I might add, that incidentally began showing on at least one of their profiles a full fortnight ago. So, let me toss my proverbial hat into the garbage can as well . . . but I'll light mine on fire first. <rant> FUCK the CoC! And fuck heresy! I'm a fucking APOSTATE as far as this silly ass "religion" led by a jeebus wannabee ("I Am the Way) is concerned. And while I'm at it, fuck Gurdjieff Rasputin, or whoever that stupid clown is you keep playing Bible with. He was a man with no children, 'nuff said. </rant> So, here I am, daring the power(s) that be to make me a MARTYR. And if you don't expel me, I'll make you wish you had. I'll go apefuckingshit on every last one of these posers, guaranteed. Including YOU, lol. "Wherever I go . . . wherever my travels bring me . . . I am the top predator, and this is just another place to settle my paws" - an unknown god -- signed 9of9 (JK) Appreciate your critique and free advice, brother. Where are your solutions? Hurling pearls of wisdom from your ivory tower can only do us so much good.
Below is an email I received from Vanessa last night after she spoke with Jason Sorrell...I'm going to see if some sort of compromise can be reached, have unbanned Jason on the forum (never banned T.C.), and will email them both in a few moments.
Details later...
(Had to temporarily lock this thread because I couldn't post in it due to everyone trying to tear people down all at once. Chill out, everyone!)
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 3, 2010 12:12:25 GMT -6
Sweet, finally was able to post on my own forum. Ok, everyone is taking Jason King's words way too seriously. He's a friend of mine. One has to understand JK's style and intent before jumping down his throat. I appreciate those who rushed to my defense, as well as, those who tried to tear JK down, but really that was unnecessary. I can speak for myself; I can handle what the author of Postmodern Satanism has to say. Please take his tone with a grain of salt. He's a good guy, probably just as reluctantly caught up in this shit storm as the rest of us.
As you can see, I'm trying to offer an olive branch to Jason and T.C. However, that effort is sort of being undermined by people foaming at the mouth. Chillax, brothers and sisters. I've got things under control.
Awake!
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Nov 3, 2010 13:22:48 GMT -6
Well, this has certainly gotten rather dramatic and emotional. I'm trying not to let any negative feelings about this situation effect me. After all, they are a waste of energy are they not?
Things like this DO and WILL happen in organizations especially ones that predominantly thrive online. It's a fact of nature about these things. I've been in several Satanic organizations that completely crumbled and fell apart due to in-fighting, attempted upheavals of leadership, loss of activity and interest, etc.
I know that the Cult of Cthulhu carries a certain strength to it that the others did not and is capable of recovering from such a blow.
What's really important is that we think about this rationally and react without anger that uncontrolled could cause this organization further harm. So, yes indeed, chillax!
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
Kai'Sigth Dreaming Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by ragnafa on Nov 3, 2010 13:46:37 GMT -6
So Master Satanis what do we do now? Whats in store for the CoC? I'll help in any way. Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz.
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Post by glickgrin on Nov 3, 2010 14:20:18 GMT -6
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 3, 2010 16:12:25 GMT -6
totally hilarious! btw, I'm also a big fan of Salem's Lot too!!!! Awake
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Nov 3, 2010 16:39:13 GMT -6
A lot has happened since I left for work this morning. Always very interesting. However, I typed this up a work today in response to High Priest Satanis, and I'd say it still applies. Regardless of if an olive branch is grasped, this is where I stand.
High Priest Satanis,
I once had a conversation with my grandfather when he was complaining that his children never called him anymore. They were out on their own, doing their own things, and they were successful. But they never called him, to ask his opinion, to shed light from a different perspective, or just to bullshit about nothing. I explained to him that, even though these were his grown, adult children, he was still the parent. It was still his responsibility as their parent to take the higher road and lead by example. If he felt like there were things missing in his relationship with his children, then he needed to make the change for them both. You likened TC to an adolescent that had outgrown his father. To you, High Priest, I give the same advice that I once gave my grandfather. The phone works to make AND receive phone calls, and I don't remember Jason's phone ringing. I'm not absolving Jason of not fulfilling his responsibilities as a Priest of R'lyeh, for I don't know the ins and outs of the agreement you had with the Priests of R'lyeh. However, I do know that it is up to you as a leader to set the example. Of course there are politics and bureaucratic red tape within an organization. And to be successful, one must learn to maneuver accordingly. There is no question here. I do not speak for Jason or TC, but I'm sure that they announced the Heretical Grotto with the understanding you had embraced, and publicly announced your support of, the trichotomy that had been naturally developing all along. This included the Heretical side they both aligned themselves with. Now, let me see if I understand the next part correctly: I have no proof that you were party to any of this, Apsara. So, perhaps it was unfair of me to characterize you in such a way. But last night's email to Vanessa and I actually kicked off the whole debacle, so I saw you as just another piece of the puzzle. You received an email from ME questioning your requirement that all WoTD's pledge their undying, personal loyalty to you, and rather than approaching me, or Jason, or TC about how MY response worried you, you think there is a conspiracy brewing and you ended up publicly denouncing JASON? How does that make sense? You have no proof that I had any part in...what...Master Satanis? I was not annoyed by your questions. In fact, I was happy to voice my thoughts. I will provide a transcript here for all to read... Thank you for posting the transcript so all may read word for word. Maybe I misunderstood your response, but it does not elude to an emotion of "happy." I still intend for every Wizard of the Terrible Darkness, along with those having a higher degree, to swear their undying personal loyalty to me. So if that's a deal breaker for you, then you cannot remain a Wizard. There will be a place for you as a Herald, if you like, but I need to trust those who help me lead the Cult of Cthulhu. As you can see, trust is a hard thing to come by these days. I do not question your need for loyalty. As a High Priest of a LHP organization, I can only imagine how important this must be to you. So, here is my stance. Had I been given the opportunity to continue this conversation in private like it started, I may have been open to the ideas you presented. I may have been able to work with the idea and come around to it. However, I have to question you, High Priest Satanis, on how you would now, given the recent set of events, expect me to give you my undying, personal loyalty when I don't see that you would be willing to reciprocate it? As my faithful leader, I must be able to trust you just as much as you must be able to trust me. This is where Jason's "mutually beneficial" idea plays a key factor in MY life. If I were to pledge my loyalty to you now, would you even really trust that it was me behind the monitor? Would you be able to trust that I am not continuing to be Jason's pawn? Would you be able to listen with an open mind when we came to a point we couldn't agree on? I'm not afraid to Work for trust and respect, but I question whether or not you would even really be open to giving it now that you think Jason was trying to take the Cult away from you. Pledging my loyalty to you now... well... it just FEELS wrong. If I were to do so, it would be mere lip service only used as a means to an ends, and I can't imagine that you would want that. If that means I take a demotion, I'll do so with as much pride as I accepted the ascension in the first place. You are very right, Master Satanis. Trust is a hard thing to come by.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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